on the subject of dragon in wing chun, from what I’ve read recently, I think it is the twisting and coiling of the body that’s the dragon element in wing chun, rather than hand techniques…
[QUOTE=T.D.O;1322482]on the subject of dragon in wing chun, from what I’ve read recently, I think it is the twisting and coiling of the body that’s the dragon element in wing chun, rather than hand techniques…[/QUOTE]
They must be talking more about snake-like dragon forms sort of like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZE8-M65ZT8
That twisting and coiling is more symmetric, whereas most dragons are usually more spiraling, which is very unlike Wing Chun. Next thing you know, you will be telling me there’s some monkey style in Wing Chun, haha
[QUOTE=YinOrYan;1322483]They must be talking more about snake-like dragon forms sort of like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZE8-M65ZT8[/QUOTE]
different to wing chun, but I can’t really see with the robe being so long
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That twisting and coiling is more symmetric, whereas most dragons are usually more spiraling, which is very unlike Wing Chun. Next thing you know, you will be telling me there’s some monkey style in Wing Chun, haha[/QUOTE]
I would say wing Chuns twisting was more like bagua twisting my self, that being more up right.
no, no monkey lol.. though I did see fook sau being referred to as monkey paw in a book, which didn’t make sense till I seen a monkey punch a guy on the chin after redirecting his hand with a fook sau lol
I am only a long-time fan / informal studier of Wing Chun, some formal training, a lot of informal..but I’ve known a legit Southern Mantis and Southern Dragon Sifus, and some very good Wing Chun/Ving Tsun Sifus..from my association with these masters, who didn’t know each other…several of them confirmed to me these arts are related..and in my humble understanding and opinion, I would concur..I’ve heard of a bagua connection to old school wing Chun, which to me makes sense as bagua and hsing Yi are Brother and Sister..some wing Chun guys I touched hands with thought I was a wing Chun guy..I was a hsing yi guy applying it to chi Sao..I credit the heavy emphasis of Push Hands training within my school for that.
I’ve always considered wing Chun an internal art, but the curriculum is very smart in that it seems like (forgive the presumption) the internal stuff sorta clicks naturally after a few years..or at least, that seems to be what has happened for a few practitioners I’ve know. Obviously this depends upon the teacher and the curriculum. Also it’s been my experience. I’ve adopted many of the “internal aspects” of Wing Chun I’ve been enlightened to into my own practice of Chen Tai Chi, Hsing Yi, and Bagua, and my wing Chun practice learns and absorbs from them. Wing Chun and all arts can do whatever the “internal arts” can. In fact it’s right there in the forms and the curriculum, but you need a proper teacher or experience to bring it out. But the knowledge is there, inherent in the art
internal wing chun
[QUOTE=illusionfist;48144]Well, like i said in my post, most people don’t teach the internal aspects of the form. When i first started kung fu when i was a kid (around 12) i used to take lessons from a friend of mine’s dad. He was skilled in wing chun and a real obscure version of yang style tai chi. At that age i couldn’t respect, nor understand, the internal aspects of the form. I later moved on and went to another style of kung fu (mizong lohan).
Now that i am training in hung gar and i have been exposed to it’s internal aspects, some of the internal postures that are in hung gar are also found within Siu Lim Tao. Yee Gee Kim Yeung Ma is one of these stances. Also many of the arm postures are building your internal “frame”, which build the space between the arms and your dantien. This space is needed in order to use expulsion and warding techniques.
But the postures are nothing without the intent, and the intent is what leads the chi. The intent is the most crucial factor in making Siu Lim Tao work for internal purposes.
As for all lineages having it, well that would be impossible for me to answer.
As for neijia people arguing about the internal aspects of the form, well as you said, it can be argued. A close friend of mine is learning wing chun, and his mother system is Chen Style Tai Chi. He is always commenting on the internal benefits of Siu Lim Tao. So…
Have any of you experienced the internal benefits of the form??
Peace 
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I agree with what you’re saying here: “But the postures are nothing without the intent, and the intent is what leads the chi.”
This is something I’ve struggled to understand in Wing Chun until I found an internal school which teaches Chu Shong Tin style Wing Chun. It’s like a completely different system to my previous Wing Chun:
Here’s a recent post I put up: https://leedsipmanwingchun.co.uk/internal-wing-chun/
[QUOTE=Timmo789;1325193]I agree with what you’re saying here: “But the postures are nothing without the intent, and the intent is what leads the chi.”
This is something I’ve struggled to understand in Wing Chun until I found an internal school which teaches Chu Shong Tin style Wing Chun. It’s like a completely different system to my previous Wing Chun:
Here’s a recent post I put up: https://leedsipmanwingchun.co.uk/internal-wing-chun/[/QUOTE]
I like cst’ skill, I just don’t know if it’s functional, I’m from the samuel kwok lineage, I’m sure sigung trained under him at some point ( he’s trained under 7 sifus, 6 of them being student’s of ip man’s ) and can’t say that I’ve seen much of the cst stuff other than to show off lol