[QUOTE=YinOrYan;1321685]Oh no, I don’t mess with that. Pretty much the only reversing I do is reverse breathing, which is not as dangerous.
So, since I now have the captive-audience of a Wing Chun expert, would you be so kind to let me know what you think of the following YouTube channel? I’ve been wondering about this for over a year. Are they any good? Do you recognize whose style they are derived from? Those Wing Chun Bots seem to be coming from somewhere North of London, but David, the young Nigerian who is posting them cannot tell me much:
Ha Ha, Don’t where you get the “expert” from, I only know what I know.
Not sure, what family it’s from, but from the 2 videos I watched and the description on one of them, it’s different from what I do/know… it’s hard to say if it’s any good, a few things that I wouldn’t do in there, but since it looks like it’s just to get a complete beginner familiar with a technique, it’s ok I guess… but only if you are completely uneducated in wing chun, and never plan on going to learn would it be useful to watch…
[QUOTE=T.D.O;1321698]Ha Ha, Don’t where you get the “expert” from, I only know what I know.
Not sure, what family it’s from, but from the 2 videos I watched and the description on one of them, it’s different from what I do/know… it’s hard to say if it’s any good, a few things that I wouldn’t do in there, but since it looks like it’s just to get a complete beginner familiar with a technique, it’s ok I guess… but only if you are completely uneducated in wing chun, and never plan on going to learn would it be useful to watch…
Hope that was helpful in some way lol:D[/QUOTE]
Thanks, that was helpful and a very diplomatic way of putting it. Looks like its probably students of that Master Wong with 2.77M subscribers on YouTube. Never have seen his first name, even on his book, that is, unless its Master. I’m amazed how he has so many followers when there’s so many guys called Master Wong out there…
My comprehension, Wing Chun pivots and leans into a block. Evasion and deflection instead of blocks and pressure the opponent with force, this might be called Soft. This is why some Crane styles might be thought of as internal, Also Snake styles [Note in five Animals of Shao-Lin, where each represents an aspect of the human–Bones (ligaments?, tendons), Power, Spirit, Breath, Sperm/Libido (I don’t write’em). I might have read Snake characteristic to be Breath (which is associated with Internal). With Kung-Fu dumbed-down to Soft and Hard and some Soft styles or Soft styles or styles with enough focus on Soft…that style might be counted by some as Internal.-Ernie Moore Jr.
I’m considering that one cannot mimic the moves of Wing Chun without moving the center and reducing the use of Strength and still be actually doing Wing Chun–these plus how you blend into attack from defense might require or inspire breathing technique. I can see Wing Chun in a bridge being Snake. To connect-as a Crane.-Ernie More Jr.
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I’m considering that one cannot mimic the moves of Wing Chun without moving the center and reducing the use of Strength and still be actually doing Wing Chun–these plus how you blend into attack from defense might require or inspire breathing technique. I can see Wing Chun in a bridge being Snake. To connect-as a Crane.-Ernie More Jr.
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What a tune-in, I just stumbled across The Complete Wing Chun book a few minutes ago for $5 in a used book store. Was skimming it and noticed that not only are the usual crane and snake attributed to influencing its development but also tiger, eagle-claw and mantis, but the only overlap I’ve noticed before is with snake…
[QUOTE=YinOrYan;1321925]What a tune-in, I just stumbled across The Complete Wing Chun book a few minutes ago for $5 in a used book store. Was skimming it and noticed that not only are the usual crane and snake attributed to influencing its development but also tiger, eagle-claw and mantis, but the only overlap I’ve noticed before is with snake…[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=T.D.O;1322315]Where do you see “tiger” in wing chun?:)[/QUOTE]
Pages 101 and 118, although the they could just as well be defenses against tiger. I have done tiger kung fu for about 40 years and have not seen overlap with Wing Chun, but can imagine that Wing Chun could use some way of dealing with tiger takedowns…
[QUOTE=YinOrYan;1322316]Pages 101 and 118, although the they could just as well be defenses against tiger. I have done tiger kung fu for about 40 years and have not seen overlap with Wing Chun, but can imagine that Wing Chun could use some way of dealing with tiger takedowns…[/QUOTE]
That’s like shooting someone in the back! Sorry, don’t have any videos of tiger takedowns in application. Some of them even gut the opponant with the tiger claws once they are on the ground.
On page 101 it says fook fu kuen (subdue tiger form) is part of the curriculum of Malaysian Wing Chun that was brought there in the 1930’s by Yip Kin
On page 118 it mentions a set of techniques called big-taming-tiger.
The book would make a good xmas present for yourself. They have most the Wing Chun lineages traced all the way down to 1998 when the book was published. It would be nice to know where you fit all that…
[QUOTE=YinOrYan;1322331]That’s like shooting someone in the back! Sorry, don’t have any videos of tiger takedowns in application. Some of them even gut the opponant with the tiger claws once they are on the ground.
On page 101 it says fook fu kuen (subdue tiger form) is part of the curriculum of Malaysian Wing Chun that was brought there in the 1930’s by Yip Kin
On page 118 it mentions a set of techniques called big-taming-tiger.
The book would make a good xmas present for yourself. They have most the Wing Chun lineages traced all the way down to 1998 when the book was published. It would be nice to know where you fit all that…[/QUOTE]
Thanks
Going to look that form up
I’ll maybe look for the book, see what of money they’re going for lol
[QUOTE=YinOrYan;1322331]Sorry, don’t have any videos of tiger takedowns in application. Some of them even gut the opponant with the tiger claws once they are on the ground.[/QUOTE]
You need to sort that, it is year of the tiger after all
Can only find hung ga forms of the same name, and judging from them there’s a lot of tiger in wing chun, certainly.
defo makes me realise I need to look at more Southern kung fu lol
[QUOTE=T.D.O;1322448]I’ve read that Southern dragon was an influence in the development of wing chun, do you know anything about Southern dragon?[/QUOTE]
There are thousands of Southern Dragons. Do you know of any specific videos? The only dragon form I’ve seen anything remotely similar to Wing Chun type moves is in the salutation to one of Arc Yuen Wong’s dragon forms where there’s a sequence about 8 of them and I don’t know why…
[QUOTE=YinOrYan;1322449]There are thousands of Southern Dragons. Do you know of any specific videos? The only dragon form I’ve seen anything remotely similar to Wing Chun type moves is in the salutation to one of Arc Yuen Wong’s dragon forms where there’s a sequence about 8 of them and I don’t know why…[/QUOTE]
I’ll keep looking but the videos ive seen don’t really look much like any the of the wing chun (main land or other ) ive seen.
thanks, I’ll see if I can find anything on arc Yuen wongs dragon forms
No, unfortunately most of his forms out there are really watered-down, in large part because he only taught the complete forms to his top students, and various subsets of them to many many others. Every once in while I go for an extensive hunt on YouTube to see if anything good has turned up but rarely find anything but parts…
[QUOTE=YinOrYan;1322455]No, unfortunately most of his forms out there are really watered-down, in large part because he only taught the complete forms to his top students, and various subsets of them to many many others. Every once in while I go for an extensive hunt on YouTube to see if anything good has turned up but rarely find anything but parts…[/QUOTE]
