Intention

Whats the best way to develop your intention?

Ps - please dont say “do slt”. im interested in specifically HOW, ie what kind of corrections or goals you are achieving.

…You first have to decide what you want to do?..:wink: :wink: :wink:

Yes!..do SLT!..First thing first! :wink: You must then develop a good stick (Witch include “intention”) with dan chi sau and poon sau and learn to feel an opponent’s structure trough practice and, use the defects of his defense/offense in chi sau using that same “intention” or forward subtle pressure instinctively.
This thing will be greatly improved by the diligent study of Chum Kiu as the next level of skill. Intentions from the whole body are feeled then and you will start to really show some connective power in your attacks and defenses.
Many will jump out of the box before realising this!..:wink: :wink: :wink:

pretend the man infornt of you just killed your mother , now you have intention , if you have developed a vehicle to carry out that intention that is another matter all together ,
but even with out any training a man that has made up his mind and is willing to give up his life in the process is very hard to deal with.

the problem with intent , is it can become emotional , anger , revenge , hatred all these things can blind and cause you to over commit

better to either treat things no different then crossing the street , or be passionate about your actions this brings all of your being and clarity of thought.

old jong did i trip and fall out of the box again:D

Originally posted by Ernie
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old jong did i trip and fall out of the box again:D [/B]

Intention=Agression…Anger…Revenge ?..Maybe I’m the one out of the box here!..:wink: But,I can understand how and when these things could be added to more technical stuff.

No one ever develop to have such severely tested intention in this lifetime! This is Frodo’s finest hour!

http://www.hollywood.com/sites/lordoftherings/moviefeature/movie/return/id/1736749

“It took Frodo 14 months to reach Mount Doom; it took us seven years,” he says. “But fortunately we didn’t have trolls after us. Producers, maybe, but not trolls.” - Peter Jackson

i guess it would come down to your definition of intent ,
when i think of intent ,
in the martial arts frame of mind , it would lead me down the path of honestly expressing an action to it’s fullest capability , and if the art is one were you will kill some one then thus should be the intent ,
now some may deal with that on a moral level is not for me to judge ,
but once i have made up my mind then there is no longer a livign breathing human being in front of me it is just a thing that wishes to kill me .

intent in the technical stuff , i really have none it is a time for learning and experienceing and experimenting , that is a much calmer and open mind set for me ,

intent = killer instinct
perhaps would be my way of looking at it .
and i would never have killer instinct in training .

Let’s say;intent as a technical thing and "bad intention"as killer instinct.
We can do both at the same times.And it’s free!.. :wink:

:wink:

we try to practice everything aggressively. All blocking drills with foward footwork, attack the attack. We also practice ‘attack sequences’ , meaning combinations of strikes or entries-very foward energy. Moving back is perhaps taught later, much later to avoid bad habits,. We also do body conditioning to absorb strikes. We have two sayings,
“courage first, power second, technique third”
and..“When your opponent moves in, you move in.
when your opponent moves out, You move in.
when your opponent stands still, You move in!”
If you start off this way, you will develop aggressiveness, courage, technique, and intent.
just my two cents

Uh oh!!

“Pretend the man in front of you has just killed your mother, now you have intention”???
That’s an awfull and incorrect peice of advice. No you don’t have intention at all you just have rage, and remorse and that totally negates good intention. Intention should be free from emotion, it should be just pure unadulterated vigilance in what you monitor.
Intent is certainly NOT killer instinct. Again thats just a kind of warped concentrated rage again, I mean just how unbalanced can you get?

Re: Uh oh!!

Originally posted by Repulsive Monkey
“Pretend the man in front of you has just killed your mother, now you have intention”???
That’s an awfull and incorrect peice of advice. No you don’t have intention at all you just have rage, and remorse and that totally negates good intention. Intention should be free from emotion, it should be just pure unadulterated vigilance in what you monitor.
Intent is certainly NOT killer instinct. Again thats just a kind of warped concentrated rage again, I mean just how unbalanced can you get?

RM,

So what is intention? how balance is balance?
please enlightent us.

Ernie,

My intention is just to Kiss Diaz.
You know what I mean? I intent to Kissssss DIAZ. :smiley:

not lust or desire or capture or day dream her lips are sexy…man.

But I wouldnt say the intention is not give raised from lust, desire, or capture…

You think Diaz’s lips is sexy? :D.
That is not intention that is I got your attention. hahahahaha

S T,

Whats the best way to develop your intention?—ST

What kind of Dumm question is that ? :smiley: (JK)

Look at Diaz and let’s Diaz develop your intention.

Hello,

A very good discussion.

I have some mixed feelings about this.

  1. Some say that we should be relaxed and empty of all thoughts.

  2. Some say we should be fierce/ferocious when attacking.

Now, I think its a combo of both but the ferocious part is often misleading. It doesn’t need to be kill kill kill in the mind. Then you will become anxious and too worked up. Staying relaxed with no pre-determined thoughts is the first start and then allow your methods to adapt to what they give you and just attack their core until they are down.

Gotta run!

the question

Perhaps the question that started this thread could be asked more specifically. The answers seem to be all over the place, because everyone is interpreting the question in a different way.

I took the question to mean “how does one better express their form without just repeating it over and over again and waiting for the understanding to fall from the sky?”

I could respond to that question, but I’m not sure that it’s the question being asked.

Teebas: ask your question again! I think we need some clarification as to what you’re after.

Teebas: ask your question again! I think we need some clarification as to what you’re after.

What factors play in the how much intention you have?

For example if chi-sauing with a new student they will use muscle to PUSH to get in. However if you chi-sau with a master they seem to have a force in their chi-sau that’s much different.

Lets say the new student stops all pushing (ie forcing their arm through with all their might), instead they are now looking for a gap to appear through using position. Now, once that gap appears..most of the time their hand will NOT shoot through immediately.

On the flip side of the coin, if this scenario were to occur with a master, their arm will shoot through at a hundred miles an hour immediately becasue their intention is much stronger to go to the desired target.

To use an anology: The new student who has found the gap during chi-sau could be related to dropping an apple to the ground on earth.
The master can be related to droping an apple to the ground on jupiter (where the gravity is many, many times more powerful) - ((and yes i know jupiter is made of gas but for the sake of understanding i hope this anology works))

If a person doing wing chun doesn’t have that, what do they need to do to make it appear or increase!?..specifically.

That’s what i mean. :slight_smile:

“courage first, power second, technique third”

Ten Tigers,
What do you mean by “power second”?

Why is this order chosen and not another?

S. Teebas,

If you have watched the final “Rings”, you would not ask this question! Perhaps the Ring have clouded your mind! Ha! Ha!

Regards,

PH

Yi - mind, intent

Talk to some Tai Chi, Yiquan people. Movement without moving, stillness within motion. Chi is not used, but yi.

Intention should be free from emotion

When did you last see Enter the Dragon? “I said emotional content, not anger”. You mightn’t want incandescent rage, but you certainly want controlled aggression.

Intention has to be directed outwards, and is more to do with where your attention is then anywhere else. If your attention is on what YOU are doing or feeling rather than on what is actually happening in the arena, you are looking in the wrong place.

Basically you want your attention able to be expressed in a simple statement, like “strike at the core” or “take 'em down, choke 'em out”. Everything you do is a step in that direction. Anything more complex, or containing the name of a specific technique, is too indirect for likely success.

Watch Rickson’s matches in “Choke”, or Royce’s with Jimmerson and Shamrock in UFC1 for marvels of intention - precisely channelled and controlled aggression.

I’d point to WC rather than BJJ / Vale Tudo examples on video … if I knew of any.

First courage-we all have met the guy who has no martial arts training at all, but has the mindset of a badger.“I may not know Kung-Fu, but I know crazy!”
You can have power, and technique, but without the cajones to use it, it is useless.
Second, power-if you have the mindset, and you have power, but no technique-you still have the advantage
Third-technique/skill-(Gung-Fu)without the first two-technique is useless. No intent-no Gung-Fu, no ging, no Gung-Fu, No Lik, No Gung-Fu What good is your tan-sao, when anyone can blast right through you, and your punches won’t hurt my your Grandmother.
I did not make up this phrase, it is a standard axiom in Gung-Fu.
“Yat -Yung, Yee-Lik, Sam-Gung-Fu”

Hey S. Teebas,

Since 10 tigers give out the secret, you don’t have to see the movie anymore. Please excuse my crude troll’s humor. Okay, my Precious, back to the Middle Line.

Regards,

PH