Do you have any links I can see a great wing chun staff demo? Comparable to this o ne which I dont know what style it is?
Wing Chun long pole vids are all pretty boring, except the demo from the Master, himself. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JABaUq-MtU
[QUOTE=PalmStriker;1232388]Wing Chun long pole vids are all pretty boring [/QUOTE]
ya I noticed. I was hoping for something like this but wing chun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrRAsptkRfc
[QUOTE=KungFubar;1232381]Do you have any links I can see a great wing chun staff demo? Comparable to this o ne which I dont know what style it is?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrRAsptkRfc[/QUOTE]
The link doesn’t work in the UK due to NG copyright! So I couldn’t comment that…
But there is a shortage of clips online of Wing Chun pole. For genuine effort and for producing quality showreels I am liking Sifu Leo Au Yeungs work and he recently released this gem
Not so much a demo of applicable pole methods, and I think even Palmstriker has a point that there doesn’t seem to be much out there other than in the movies… and personally my favourite pole fight on screen would be this one between Sammo and Lau Kar Leung!
I wont bore you my my own clips…
[QUOTE=KungFubar;1232381]Do you have any links I can see a great wing chun staff demo? Comparable to this o ne which I dont know what style it is?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrRAsptkRfc[/QUOTE]
Can’t see this video in france, but must be Taizu quan and apuna:
Thanks everyone.
[QUOTE=KungFubar;1232381]Do you have any links I can see a great wing chun staff demo? Comparable to this o ne which I dont know what style it is?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrRAsptkRfc[/QUOTE]
Karate guys never seem to figure out that a bo/guan is longer when you hold it by its end.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1232428]Karate guys never seem to figure out that a bo/guan is longer when you hold it by its end.[/QUOTE]
Maybe the clip is showing ‘Half Pole’ or what we generally understand here in the UK as ‘Quarter Staff’ training?
Turning of the stick is a special skill 
http://youtu.be/Sn19RO2kCvk
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1232430] Maybe the clip is showing ‘Half Pole’ or what we generally understand here in the UK as ‘Quarter Staff’ training?
Turning of the stick is a special skill
http://youtu.be/Sn19RO2kCvk[/QUOTE]
Yup, I view karate’s misinterpretations of the venerable Shaolin weapon much like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swSiKd6mmf0
*that little girl has some mad skillz
[QUOTE=MightyB;1232431]Yup, I view karate’s misinterpretations of the venerable Shaolin weapon much like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swSiKd6mmf0[/QUOTE]
Ahhh good old baton twirling lol! Yes… this is exactly what I mean by ‘special skill’ which is great for exercise AND for cudgel plays, as long as you know what and why you are doing it
As a Mantis man is there anything you could recommend?
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1232434]Ahhh good old baton twirling lol! Yes… this is exactly what I mean by ‘special skill’ which is great for exercise AND for cudgel plays, as long as you know what and why you are doing it
As a Mantis man is there anything you could recommend?[/QUOTE]
Remembering that a staff is longer when you hold it by its end and using a heavier stick - both of which Wing Chun does very well. It’s just not as pretty as the flashy spinning shiny stuff with twigs.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1232435]Remembering that a staff is longer when you hold it by its end and using a heavier stick - both of which Wing Chun does very well. It’s just not as pretty as the flashy spinning shiny stuff with twigs.[/QUOTE]
There is balance that is required in all things, and so I can’t criticize the spinning too much as I trained that myself (and yes! I am a Wing Chun student) albeit not like the clips really, they’re spinning for spinning sake.
In our families stick we have turning at the half, which we commonly call Yum Yeurng Boon Gwun, and this in turn is related to our Looksau/Rotating arm practice. Very specific skill training for very specific purpose. But we all like to have twirling sticks sometimes don’t we? lol!
I might be crucified on here for this but hey ho! This is me back in 2001…
http://youtu.be/MH_5SS2BR-Y
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1232443]There is balance that is required in all things, and so I can’t criticize the spinning too much as I trained that myself
specific skill training for very specific purpose. But we all like to have twirling sticks sometimes don’t we? lol!
I might be crucified on here for this but hey ho! This is me back in 2001…
http://youtu.be/MH_5SS2BR-Y[/QUOTE]
Why would you get crucified? Spinning is fine - we all like to do it, but one thing your clip showed was plenty of applications that used the length of the weapon to your advantage. That’s the whole point of using a staff… it’s long! :eek: You don’t see that in Karate. Even the traditional guys using the legit stuff - it’s all quarter as you say, so with a 6 ft staff, they’re getting maybe 2 ft extensions on their technique. TCMA on the other hand is getting most if not all of the benefit of that 6 ft weapon.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1232449]Why would you get crucified?[/QUOTE]
You will see… 
Unless people here miss it lol!
Fubar,
The white guy is a Tae Kwon Do practitioner and TKD as well as the majority of karate in America have flashy staff forms like this that invole tons of spinning and fighting with the staff solely from the center (which is so freaking stupid). Usually you’ll see them with flashy-looking staffs that weigh less and then they can spin them faster.
The asian guy does Wushu, which while it is also based on perfermance, there is at least a basis on a fighting art. Movements are essentially taken from traditional kung fu and extended out and altered to make them fancier. IMO, there are valid techniques in what he did, but I think that whipping the staff aound like that for the entire fightwould get realyl tiring and, frankly, would expose the legs.
You won’t find this sort of thing in Wing Chun. I never studied the Wing Chun staff, but it’s my understanding that it is very straight forward.
Here’s a popular wing chun staff form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh9GeUs2krs
For reference, here’s a staff set from another southern style (Hung Gar): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xb6xwd98fM
Here’s a northern style (Long Fist) staff set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frrU54_HgjE
You will find some twirling (figure 8) and swide swings in Kung Fu staff forms, but that isn’t the sole part of the form, and Kung Fu guys understand that it’s a long-range weapon (really, that’s something that always baffled me about most Korean and Japanese styles).
[QUOTE=MightyB;1232449]Why would you get crucified? Spinning is fine - we all like to do it, but one thing your clip showed was plenty of applications that used the length of the weapon to your advantage. That’s the whole point of using a staff… it’s long! :eek: You don’t see that in Karate. Even the traditional guys using the legit stuff - it’s all quarter as you say, so with a 6 ft staff, they’re getting maybe 2 ft extensions on their technique. TCMA on the other hand is getting most if not all of the benefit of that 6 ft weapon.[/QUOTE]
Bingo!!
Here’s an amazing clip!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U2crnECuC8
IMO, the best Wing Chun pole form you’ll see.
[QUOTE=BPWT;1232465]Here’s an amazing clip!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U2crnECuC8
IMO, the best Wing Chun pole form you’ll see.[/QUOTE]
Awesome find! Thanks for sharing.
[QUOTE=BPWT;1232465]Here’s an amazing clip!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U2crnECuC8
IMO, the best Wing Chun pole form you’ll see.[/QUOTE]
Ahh… the imfamous Tang Yik sets You are right it is an amazing clip but from my perspective it is far from a ‘form’, they’re simply clips edited together to get as close as they can to what the original form may have looked like.
Nothing they do here is far from general Ip Man forms I have seen, just smoother and more agile footwork. And there are still sets within the pole I learnt that are not represented at all.