Hi,
I want to learn a few weapon tricks and things like that, but I noticed the wing chun pole looks really long. Is it possible to twirl a wing chun pole around(like they do in the movies)? And can you also do tricks and stuff like that with it?
PS. I know doing flashy moves are not part of wing chun, but learn everything you can right. 
PPS. I doubt any of you really remeber me but I decided to take up wing chun! Thanks for taking your time to help me find the right art.
i was wondering, what do you want to do tricks with a pole for? Do you plan on carrying it with you all the time just in case you get in a fight?
if you have a good pole, i wouldnt suggest twirling it or doing any other tricks 
usually since its tapered at one end that would lead to some awkward twirling. not to mention youd have to be pretty darn strong to do fancy pole work with a wing chun pole
theres a reason they call it the 6.5 point pole. there are 6 and a half motions thats all you need. fighting with the pole is something like shooting a zen arrow. one shot and it should be over (the ideal for free hand fighting too ) learning everything you can is good, but if you want to be good at the pole; your time would be better spent practicing those few precious 6.5 moves instead of flashy stuff which will just get you in trouble
Hey I know those fancy stuff are not good for fighting, I just think they look cool and would love to try them out. They seem to be really fun. So am I right in saying it would be nearly impossible to do those trick things with the wing chun pole? Thanks!
Originally posted by TjD
[B]if you have a good pole, i wouldnt suggest twirling it or doing any other tricks
theres a reason they call it the 6.5 point pole. there are 6 and a half motions thats all you need. fighting with the pole is something like shooting a zen arrow. one shot and it should be over (the ideal for free hand fighting too ) learning everything you can is good, but if you want to be good at the pole; your time would be better spent practicing those few precious 6.5 moves instead of flashy stuff which will just get you in trouble [/B]
What are the names of the 6 and a half moves/motions of the pole?
for the life of me i cant remember the names of the first two, but the half motion is the initial chambering, and the horizonal down/up motion of the pole is the other
then theres:
biu gwun (strike)
dan gwun (tip down)
til gwun (tip up)
tan gwun (feels like tan, doesnt look like tan )
kum gwun (covering/rolling over)
as to doing fancy tricks with the pole, its not impossible, but definately impractical as far as the WC pole goes. the sticking pole ādrillā (chi sau with the pole), can look just as cool if not cooler, and would train applicable body mechanics for using pole shaped weapons in combat, as well as being far more practical
only prob is u need a good partner who doesnt mind the occasional accidental whack from a pole
If you wanna learn kewl tricks with a staff that impress people, take up staff fire twirling ;o)
You have that whole āpretty fireā thing going for you - plus the whole jumping and spinning thing.
Mind you.. for WC, Iād advocate fire poi .. two hand coordination and all that, but never the less, both are fun AND impressive.
Neurotic
Wing Chun pole techniques are performed pretty much entirely with an unchanging grip at one end.
The classic pole is around 9 feet in length and tapered and usually fairly heavy. But pole techs can and should be practiced with āsticksā between 4 and thirteen feet in length.
These days few people carry a pole (duh). Itās value is in using environmental and incidental weapons - brooms, rakes, fence palings, car radio aerialsā¦
The twirling and other pyrotechnics have nothing to do with WC. Youād have to study another MA system, or take up the aforementioned fire twirling, to learn that.
Iāve mucked around with it myself, and itās a lot of fun, but IMO you need to remember that when youāre doing it. It will benefit your overall coordination etc., but primarily itās just for fun.
If you get good at the āboringā WC pole, you should be able to deal with those other systems fairly effectively, like shoving a stick into the spokes of a rotating bicycle wheel.
Wingman
From a WC site on the Wonderful World Wide Webā¦
"Some folk state there are seven pole techniques (as in the six and the half points) whilst others extend this number to ten.
"The seven keywords are: dim gwan - strike with the tip of the pole; gwat gwan - strike down with the pole; kit gwan - knock away the opponentās pole; lan gwan- obstruct with the pole; lou gwan- receive and āleakā with the pole; tai gwan- lift the pole; and, wun gwan- disperse power circularly.
"Terminology varies a great deal from lineage to lineage and even sifu to sifu. However, the main pole techniques (some of these are the same technique with different names or slightly different variants) which I have come across include:
ābiu/dim/biu lung cheung gwan - thrust; but gwan - disarming pole; chi gwan - sticking pole; dang gwan - the hammering pole; ding gwan - downward snap; fook gwan - subduing pole; geet gwan - high gate opening pole; huen gwan - circling pole; jeem gwan - butt strike; lan gwan - barring pole; lou suei gwan - dripping water pole; man/mun lo gwan - direction seeking sweeping; saat gwan - killing pole; sot gwan - low gate opening pole; tai or hei gwan - raising pole; tan gwan - spreading pole; til/tiu gwan - tip flick; tok gwan - lifting pole.ā
I donāt know where I found this, I tend to cut and paste interesting points, arguements, hints and tips, etc.
Duncan
If you want to do tricks, get a rattan pole ā¦ they flop around like in the Jet Li movies. Theyāre really light too so you can spin em fast.
Re: Wingman
Originally posted by black and blue
[B]I donāt know where I found this, I tend to cut and paste interesting points, arguements, hints and tips, etc.
Duncan [/B]
Thanks black and blue for the info. I too copy and paste interesting points, arguements, hints and tips, etc. and even whole articles and save it on the hard disk. I read and reread the articles then apply it in practice to see whether they work or not.