How is it important to the Wing Chun System.
(And please, no history lessons.)
Five. I’m saying it’s important to the degree of five. (Of course, I’m not providing the scale.)
Rgds,
RR
So true.
Max
Yooby Yoody
The question is…
How is it important to Wing Chun?
not
How important is it to Wing Chun?
(This explains the confusion on the Bat Jam Do thread).
WH
Yup. To the degree of five is how it is important. 
Rgds,
RR
The kwan
When the structure, hands and footwork are
properly developed then the pole enhances
the power of the stance, the footwork and the hands. Pole work enhances both long and short
power and issuing them. The skills can also be used to working with long weapons. 
In Cantonese, it is to the degree of 4, in Mandarin to the degree of 5.
Wasn’t Mandarin to the degree of 4 and Cantonese 7-9?
Rgds,
RR
yuenfan
How does the staff improve your footwork?
whipping hand
To control the pole you have to adjust your steps.
yuenfan
Which stances do you use with the staff?
Whipping Hand
How is the staff important in your particular lineage?
The chalice from the palace has the pellet with the poison,
The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true!
Whipping hand
You asked about stances I use in pole work. On another thread someone asked about variety of stances. If you go to Master Augustine Fong"s website you will find a wealth of information. The
info. is quite extensive on a through wing chun curriculum and terms. If you click on “definitions” you will see the way he has organized stances among other things. Stance work is increasingly built up in each of the forms when
they are taught and practised in a sensible evolutionary way.Kwan/Pole work and knife/do work
utilize the full repertoire of stance and footwork. But each have their little individualities- thus with the pole one can practice a mini jum step which is not normally necessary
with the shorter bot jam do.The Fong site is at
PS: PC gremlins! I almost sent you a long post on the South Asian crsis which has nothing to do
with this site. I hope that I have erased it correctly. Many different hats- same head!
I never thought that the 6 1/2 pole set was truly representative of the WC system the way the butterfly swords are.
Compare the jing of the rolling fast butterfly swords to that of the rooted horse stance back-leg jing of the Pole set. There’s no deep horse stance in WC, yet it’s the hallmark of the WC Pole set.
Supposedly “Gee Shim Sinn See” introduced this set into the WC system - and Gee Shim was linked to Hung Ga.
I feel that the pole set is more representative of Hung Ga’s deep rooted stances than it is Wing Chun’s standup philosophy.
HuangKaiVun
I do not think that your post shows understanding of wing chun kwan work. Your past posts seem to indicate a somewhat general interest in wing chun. After the pole was adopted by wing chun it’s usage was transformed
by wing chun structure and dynamics. The low horse stance is an auxiliary strengthening exercise only. The real wing chun pole usage uses wing chun principles and body usage and footwork.
Right on, yuan fen.
Explain.
yuen fan you couldnt be more wrong
The low stance is not just an exercise although based upon your teacher I understand why you think so.The pole form teaches extremely important combat techniques and concepts.The low horse blends with the low line line attckes introduced by the kneeling horse punch.This technique was taught by Yip Man to his early students and is present in most other WC families.
the weapons are the key to truly understanding combat usage of WC not the dummy.(Dummy helps but is not the be all end all).Without complete understanding of pole and Do you(general you)will never truly utilize WC to its fullest.
The fact thay your Sifu perfoms the pole in an upright stance does not mean it is correct.You have missed several important concepts.How do I know,because the only art I have studied is WC and I have been very successfull against all styles. If you dont understand the pole you will have great difficulty dealing with grapplers,Silat and monkey styles among others.
The fact that so many have found the need to supplement their WC with other arts suh as grappling speaks to the general lack of understanding of WC fighting principles as taught in the forms.
Nothing In WC is 'just an exercise’and I am surprised that with your education and years of training you would not have looked for the deeper meaning of the pole form or why others do a form different from yours and use a low horse stance.
hunt 1 says:
"yuen fan you couldnt be more wrong
The low stance is not just an exercise although based upon your teacher I understand why you think so.The pole form teaches extremely important combat techniques and concepts.The low horse blends with the low line line attckes introduced by the kneeling horse punch.This technique was taught by Yip Man to his early students and is present in most other WC families."
- Firstly you distort what I said and its intent.
- Secondly, your gratuitous point about what I supposedly learned and what my teacher supposedly teaches/taught is underinformed and therefore misinformed.
Wing chun families have many kinds of auxiliary exercises and they ALL contribute to the persons development.The low horse helps in the development
of both hand techniques, pole work and leg development. In an real fight all kinds of strange positions can result and one must adjust- the more time spent in development- the more the ability to adjust.There are many wing chun answers to low line attacks including the kneeling horse and even lower attacks.The concepts are even in the hand forms. Wing chun forms are not organized with specific defenses against specific attacks in mind.That is more of a karate kata mind set.I dont carry around dogmatic or limited ideas about a limited set of attacks. The next one may be from a musketeer hanging/swinging from a chandelier. I will pass on practising a fixed defense against that.
yuan fen
>>>The next one may be from a musketeer hanging/swinging from a chandelier. I will pass on practising a fixed defense against that.<<<
Yeah, but if you played your cards right, you could market a whole series of videos on Wing Chun defenses against Musketeers swinging from chandeliers.
Once the videos are ready to be released you get an article published stating that you are the sole inheritor of a secret Wing Chun lineage from southern France that dates back to 1500’s.
This revelation will spark Wing Chun research trips to France that will document the new family branch, and also record a new Bot Cham Do form that uses weapons curiously similar to a rapier and buckler.
Watchman
You didnt have to give my HFC treasures away!
Hung From Chandeliers is indeed a special wing chun family art which
wtll be unveiled before the first year of this
New Millenium is over. The art was born when the southern hands on junks encountered the folks with the hanging horse on the SS Beaujolais when it sailed into Canton from Cam Ranh Bay.Nostradamus predicted it would be so.Back to bed. The research is exhausting.