Leggo my eggo
“YKM has a fixation with animals and ying yang theory - very stiff.” - I got your YKM stiffy right here.
Btw, I’m still waiting for you to tell me where is the YKM school in Jeresy. Well eggo!
Buby
I’m still waiting for him to tell me how he sparred Wing Chun people while he is in a WHEELCHAIR
OHH…EGO the “BUTHEAD”…???..Did you know Chueng Lai Chun taught at Wong Po? CENTRAL MILITARY ACADEMY
Where was your “gay a$$ multiplying northern” style?
Fiercetiger:
Hsing I isn’t stiff, very fluid like the styles from that time period and region in china.
Whereas wing chun just tries to build hand speed by sacrificing alot of power. little punches doing it square on… better of doing boxing or kick boxing.
hung gar looks like karate but moves ever so slowly. this is partly due to the extremely low horse stances which makes the syle very immobile. But they train alot in chi kung - supposed to anyway to take hits.
maybe its just that i had come across some raw beginners because they try to fight like kick boxers - with the emphasis on the word try.
tigerhand:
I haven’t always been in a wheel chair. Got to hand it to you tiger!
once again you have shown your basic knowledge of wing chun & once again you have shown you know nothing.
would you please take that dik out of your mouth & think before you speak.
vts
Interesting discussion about style comparisons. Did any of you read Phil’s article, “Fight the Person, Not the Style”? I think it says it all.
I think that these arts, such as Hsing I, Ving Tsun, Pek Mei, whatever, get you to the same island, you just take different boats (as my sihing would tell me). Any comparison, it seems, is too biased because it assumes that the style accounts for the attributes of the individual.
Just a thought.
Peace,
123
Wing Chun was an underground revolutionary style that developed on the Red Junks. It was used for assassination of Manchurian officials at close quarters. The wooden dummy sets clearly show the shaolin origens. The pole set shows the period of development on the boats, as the long pole was an available weapon. It is based on clear principles and short power.
The Navy Seals were training in WC with Moy Yat down in Virginia Beach last I heard. Guess they’ve all switched to Xing-Yi now that Goktimus has clarified things.
Northern styles are way cool, too!! Whatever floats your Junk!
-FJ
EGO
You dont know what you are talking about, stick to your northern arts thread.
fa-jing
The revolutionarist would be crazy to think that wing chun could be used against the manchu soldiers. The style is only good for simple self defence at a medium range. No. grappling involved, can’t be considered a close range style. Standing square on and doing little punches has much less power than a boxer. It is just a very hopeless style.
Hung gar was developed on the red junks i agree. Due to the lack of head room on those boats, they adopted a very low stance, otherwise they’ll bump their heads on the ceiling above. Because of the trubulance and waves on the oceans, hung gar practitioners couldn’t move around much - will get sea sick. so then they stood fast in those low stances to practice punches. They couldn’t use real weapons but rather trained with wu shu type hollow swords or those blades as thin as a leaf. This is because an accident with a solid weapon could puncture the hull of the vessel and drown all the occupants on board.
have you ever been hit by someone who studies Wing Chun and knows how to punch properly? Smarts a little… totally different feeling than when a boxer punches.
I like your account of history/development of Southern Styles though ego 
david
<<They couldn’t use real weapons but rather trained with wu shu type hollow swords or those blades as thin as a leaf. This is because an accident with a solid weapon could puncture the hull of the vessel and drown all the occupants on board.>>
yeah, cause we ALL know that the Chinese made boats out of rice paper..:rolleyes: Not to step on any toes, but that sounds like the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Boats were made of wooden hulls, and would have to be fairly sturdy to withstand the rigors of maritime travel. If you ever go to Baltimore, check out the clipper ship in the inner harbor-- you’d have to fire a cannon at the floor to break it. While the junks may have not been as thick as a 19th century clipper ship, they were fairly sturdy boats, easily capable of withstanding accidental blows from swords and knives. As to whether or not they actually trained weapons on the ship, I dunno, but I really don’t see any reason why they wouldn’t-- if the ship proved to be too cramped, they could always practice when ashore.
Strange. I thought the square-on stance was only for practice or for a split second at the end of a punch with the rear hand. Then again, what do I know, I’m just a Wing Chun practioner, not an expert observer like Maximus.
-FJ
Wing chun has no power?..hmmmmm…hey Ego, don’t let Rolling_hand hear you say that!
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we wasted every one of ego’s arguments on an earlier thread. he is a troll, plain and simple. he should be banned from this board.
he is just a paraplegic little btch who got his as kicked when he practiced clf, if i remember correctly. probably due to his ****iness, he wound up in a wheelchair.
even though i, as a xingyiquan practitioner, backed up southern styles with real knowledge (rather than faulty logic and irrelevent analogies), he kept trolling.
just ignore him. he acts like a little kid, trying to impress anyone who is naive enough to listen to him.
you are an idiot, ego. this is easily-seen. you should leave. no one wants you to be here, and you have nothing to offer anyone except your hateful ramblings.
p.s. we also found his website, on which are pictures of transformers toys and him practicing stances (which are very faulty and weak – no power). he goes by another name, goktimus.
raving_limerick
The Chinese weren’t expert boat builders like the great europeans. Chinese never had an effective sea faring army - navy in its entire history.
There wasn’t enough space on those junks (why do you think they’re called junks - maybe its because they’re poorly built) so the wing chun punches became shorter and shorter. one small push, they’ll fall over as a result of the turbulence in the waters. As a result they never developed proper power and what little power they had - it was overated.
As for training with real weapons on the boats - it was a dangerous prospect as they risk hull breach of sorts. Not to mention accedentally tearing theirv sails or something. The southern lot were previously farmers with little experience in the oceans.
wasn’t practical for the red boat rebels to train on shore. Many who tried were discovered by small detechments of government troops and wiped out.
Instead they used their kung fu for entertainment purposes such as the chinese opera which later developed into kung fu flicks we see today. Kung fu pop culture which bears little resemblence to real fighting can be traced back to the southern source.
Ive compleatly changed my mind…
Ego you ROCK
Your just to darn entertaining for words, if only you and Ralek could get together - oh the fun you would both have.
The weird part is…
We are laughing at you.
You are laughing at us.
Who is laughing loudest and does it really matter anyway;)
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alright, goktimus, i’m feeling argumentative. for the sake of everyone else, though, i will meet your reply so others don’t have to.
kung fu pop culture? i assume that you are referring to what most people call wushu. you should know, then, that wushu is mostly northern styles, and that changquan and it’s weapon forms were the first wushu forms to be put together for prc wushu.
training on boats? please. no one is that stupid as to spend most of their time training on a boat. several styles were developed to be able to be stable enough to accomodate boat fighting, but this is natural adaptation. you are taking the boat-fighting thing to extremes, and flat-out making things up. before a few years ago, chinese opera and their boats were rarely heard of. recently, though, articles have been written, and now all of a sudden people are using boat fighting as an explanation for every stance variation and technique in southern styles. this is sad.
to get back to the foundation of modern wushu and pop-culture kung fu, you should realize that wing chun kuen is nothing like anything practiced for the chinese opera. anything that was developed to be stable enough to be able to accomodate boat fighting would not be entertaining enough for chinese opera. chinese opera styles were just exaggerated traditional forms, with added acrobatic movements, similar to prc wushu.
as i mentioned earlier, ego, you need to give examples to justify your explanation of the “source of pop culture kung fu” as coming from the south. pop culture kung fu is nothing more than wushu, and that originally had northern origins from the northern capital, and made from northern changquan. if your definition of “pop culture kung fu” is something different, then you needed to define it for us, as i have never heard of that term used before. whether it is or not is irrelevent to the fact that you need to back up obscure comments like the one in your last post.
as for chinese boats, the chinese needed to at least have decent boats. this is something that develops naturally when you are in an environment like southern china. to think that all boats would be poor and primitive is ignorant. it is true that the chinese never had a great navy or army, but boats were always considered to be used primarily for merchants, and were never very large (or well-made, if they were – an undeveloped area).
“the southern lot” you refer to seems to be quite the stereotype. stupid, useless, sweaty farmers with nothing to offer the rest of the world, no doubt? this “southern lot” was used to marshes and water-ways, and used small boats very often for business. you should at least give “the southern lot” a little credit for being able to meet the basic needs of their societies and environments. the south may have been more rural as a whole, but it was a very interesting place where many great styles came about from the temples there.
Ego what the heck is your problem, man? Were you beaten up by southern styilst or what? Why so much bitterness when it comes to southern kungfu?
I have a friend that practices 7* mantis,plum flower mantis, and wing chun and he doesn’t think anything about it.
Wanna know something Goktimus? I saw your site and your stances were horrible and off balance. All this time talking about how northern styles are superior and your don’t even have a solidfoundation.
Ego what the heck is your problem, man? Were you beaten up by southern styilst or what? Why so much bitterness when it comes to southern kungfu?
I have a friend that practices 7* mantis,plum flower mantis, and wing chun and he doesn’t think anything about it.
Wanna know something Goktimus? I saw your site and your stances were horrible and off balance. All this time talking about how northern styles are superior and your don’t even have a solid foundation.
Plastic squirrel
I’m not goktimus. Chinese pop culture that we see today are extensions of the opera acts performed on those red junks. During those performences the actors dress up in colorful and elaboratre costumes much like the way alot of southern kuing fu schools dress their students in while training. This becomes apparent during chinese new year when southern schools bring out the full works- the dancing lion, gongs, drums and masks.
I agree it woulkd be stupid to spend all of one’s life on a boat without coming to shore. But they had no choisce given that they were hunted by government troops- had to stay on the boat to practice. During the times when they did come to shore - it was to put on a performances to prevent the troops from moving against them. The performances served the purpose of providing entertainment to the villiages which provided a distraction to the harsh realities of life and oppression by the military. In doing so, the chinese opera reduced the extent or frequencty of up rising by the villiages. The government knew that and their opera performances were tolerated. However, they would all be nabbed if kung fu was seen to be practiced on shore.
It thus became a unwritten code that kung fu could only be practiced on the junks and their role in society meant that their kung fu was only for performance purpose. The giverment knew that real weapons would not be used otherwise accidents on the stage would have meant the death of an actor or two. Not to mention the occasional hull breech should a broadsword slice through the side of the hull - drowing all occupants inside.
I’ve also seen gotktimus website- it however is not mine!
You wanna see Ego’s website, go to the Wheelchair Olympics site.