[QUOTE=LSWCTN1;870656]not necessarily sticking up for anyone here - but Wang Kui only had 2.5 years with Ip Man by his own admission - and he was/is **** good!
his sifu when i met him was a well above average wc man and very welcoming. Fung Sui Ching lineage if i remember correctly? his students i met (although hardwork8 wasnt there) seemed to have a good grasp of wc and could use it - not alway that common
there is also Moy Yat and HFY lineage in brazil - its not exactly weak WC is it?[/QUOTE]
To even put the troll hardwork in the same post with Wang kui ( or anyone that has actually DONE a MA) is an insult.
HW has never said who is WC sifu is, or who he is, or where he trains, he has made claims that have been proven to be BS and he has made claims about hsi sifu and sifu’s sifu that have never been able to be verified even though HE says they are documented.
The less people associate with crap the less they smell, I would suggest you not associate with crap.
Most have him on ignore for a reason.
[QUOTE=LSWCTN1;870656]not necessarily sticking up for anyone here - but Wang Kui only had 2.5 years with Ip Man by his own admission - and he was/is **** good!
his sifu when i met him was a well above average wc man and very welcoming. Fung Sui Ching lineage if i remember correctly? his students i met (although hardwork8 wasnt there) seemed to have a good grasp of wc and could use it - not alway that common
there is also Moy Yat and HFY lineage in brazil - its not exactly weak WC is it?[/QUOTE]
Hello David,
You have just stepped in a long running fued between the two different schools of thought.
One school of thought here believes in mixing up many and often irrelevant martial arts together to “fill in” the gaps. For example they cross train Wing Chun with Tae Kwon Do (to “improve” the kicks);train Muay Thai (to "improve knees/elbows); they cross train judo/bjj because as we all know “there is no ground fighting in Wing Chun”. LOL!
In short, what this school of thought does is “compensate” for any perceived short comings in their arts by cross training in the above manner. What I say is that they can cross train all they want, but they should not call the final product KUNG FU!
I also say that they should perhaps look deeper into their kung fu and they will find some of the answers that they are looking for there and not in Tae kwon do, etc. classes.
Now, my way of looking at this subject exposed some of the forum members as nothing but glorified kickboxers. They didn’t like it so now some of them (the fanatical cross trainers) refer to me as a troll.
As far as Unkokusai is concerned, he is what I said he is and that is a social retard. He does not even practice kung fu and his function and existance in these forums is still a mystery to me.
Apparently Sanjuro ronin(glorified kickboxer), monji(?) and a few other “thinkers” have never noticed Unkokusai’s trolling.
i have never met hardwork8, although i have met his sifu - i think perhaps contempt breeds contempt. i dont know (or care) started it and im not taking any sides as i dont know the reasons behind the argument(s).
just because things cannot be proven on paper do not make them untrue… Leung Bik?
i know his sifu had a deep knowledge of kung fu in general and wing chun in particular. and i was relatively impressed by what i saw during the 6hours i spent with him.
anyway…
keep the different components coming, im finding it facinating!
I have no issues with his Sifu, nor his system of WC.
As for his Sifu, I have met many WC sifu and I have liked them all and respected them all, yes even Emin, LOL.
Fact is WC is a wonderful system that I enjoyed and still use certain parts to this very day.
It just has many flakes, like all other MA it seems.
As for doing thing differently, we all do, that’s were styles come from.
As for ground fighting in WC, sure it has it, every system has it, are they comprable to system that specialize in it?
No, and any person that tells you differently truly has no idea.
Can they be “good enough”?
One must ask good enough for whom?
As for cross training, we had a thread about it and the vast majority have done it for geographical reasons , myself included and other to work on certain specilaizations (like ground work and submissions) that are lacking in our core system.
Fact is, if you want to work on a highly specialized skill set, you must seek out a system that specializes in it, it is common sense.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;870660]To even put the troll hardwork in the same post with Wang kui ( or anyone that has actually DONE a MA) is an insult.[/quote]
You posting in the kung fu forums and making comments on kung fu matters is also an insult to everyone, even if a little funny sometimes.
David knows who my sifu is and so does Spencer Devine (LoneTiger108) and that is because they have something in common, UNLIKE YOU, THEY TRAIN WING CHUN and they do so seriously and deeply.
It was relevant for them to know the name of my sifu. As far as you are concerned there is no relevance in knowing who he is. You have no point of reference, so what difference would it make for you?
My sifu does not teach MMA, nor kickboxing. What he teaches would probably confuse that single brain cell floating in that knuckle head of yours for eternity.
My real name is my business. I have a personal policy of keeping my personal info off the internet.
Recent event in this forum have proved to me that I have made the right choice. A member and a kickboxer friend of yours who goes by the name of Ikfmdc initiated a prank where my posts were miquoted (changed). This was followed by accusations that I was some kind of a satanist,anti semetic and a Nazi among other things.
So, just as well I was not using my real name.
Mr Sanjuro_ronin YOU did not “notice” this and played along with the prank together with other of this forum’s “I know kung fu” kickboxers. The prank eventually was exposed and collapsed around your ears.
I have said where I train. I trained Wing Chun in Rio de Janeiro, Brasil. Currently I am here in London and train Wing Chun on my own and when I meet up with sifu. In a couple of months I will be in Brasil and will continue my training.
I also train in another style of kung fu here in London.
YOU KNEW THAT FROM MY PREVIOUS POSTS BUT YET YOU INSIST ON SELLING THE LIE!
CAN YOU PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US ON WHICH CLAIMS YOU ARE REFERRING TO?
Here you are talking about my sifu fighting challenges…oh what a surprise a kung fu sifu who has had fights.
Actually I was told that he brushed upon the challenge issue in his seminar. So that is from the “horses mouth” so to speak.
CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THE CLAIMS THAT I MADE ABOUT MY SIFU’S SIFU???
Correct. Some liability wavers were signed at some challenges. Would you like me to go to France where some of the challenges took place and look for them? LOL!
As you can see you are the one who is smelling bad right now. You have been trying to sell the above lies for a long time.
In fact this all started when you and some of your forum’s crosstraining colleagues were exposed as nothing but GLORIFIED KICKBOXERS!
How can you guys be anything else. It takes many many years to understand and master a kung fu style holistically and yet guys like you sometimes study a about a dozen styles in as many years and then go on to pretend to have valid knowledge in all of them, when you are nothing but glorified kickboxers! lol!
You and some of your cross training forum colleagues are nothing more than simple knuckle heads who do not possess the attention span to study any art deeply.
If anyone criticizes you for that then you gang up on him and with lies and untruths, hoping that he will go away and let you modern “masters” of kung fu (at the same time karate, judo, bjj, Muy Thai,MMA, etc.etc.etc.LOL!) spew your crap.
Well it ain’t that easy. For a start you need to be a little more intelligente.:rolleyes:
ANOTHER LIE! (Sanjuro, I hope your kickboxing is not as bad as your lying!)
I will be honest. I have seen more dishonesty in these forums in the past 3 months than I had seen in the past 10 years of my life.
Well I suppose after all, this is the internet and only here can people who have trained “kung fu” along with a dozen other (sometimes irrelevant) martial arts claim expertise and give advice based on that “expertise”. LOL,LOL!
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;870675]I have no issues with his Sifu, nor his system of WC.
HW8 made some claims about his Sifu and his system on Bullshido years ago that proved to be false, blatant lies.[/quote]
Can you provides us with the proof that they were lies? YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS LYING SANJURO AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET AWAY WITH IT.
You are the one with zero credibility! You have accused me of lying then provide the proof.
The fact is my sifu has had challenges. The blatant lie would be to say he hadn’t!
The lack of credibility is yours. Sifu has fought challenges and that is a fact. Unfortunately for you and your knucklehead buddies there is no YouTube video of those challenges.
But did they feel the same way about you?
And I am sure that Yip Man and Huen Kay San are looking down on you gratefully from the heavens because at last their souls can rest in peace…:rolleyes:
To really know any kung fu system’s flakes and short comings you would need to dedicate many years to that system, something that you knuckle heads never do. your attention span of a rabbit does not help either.
I may be mistaken but I don’t believe that you were of the same opinion when I talked about it before.
It depends wether you are planning to roll on the ground for the next half an hour. They may be comparable if you are in a street fight and plan to finish fight as soon as possible and get up.
Read the above paragraph and even you should understand the answer.
And your training is good for sports fighting. And will be of a great deal of help in a street fight and there is no denying that.
But all your crosstraining does not mean that if you ever had a STREET FIGHT with a kung fu expert, that he wouldn’t beat you to a pulp.
It depends wether you are planning to roll on the ground for the next half an hour. They may be comparable if you are in a street fight and plan to finish fight as soon as possible and get up.[/QUOTE]
In other words, no they are not comparable, and you are hiding behind “street fight” that exists only in your little theory world.
While I appreciate that some send me what HW8 is saying, I have him on ignore for a reason, the fact that he “responds” to me even though I have him on ignore is a tad “stalker-like” and quite strange.
I really don’t care what someone like HW8 has to say, about anything really, someone the lives VIA the supposed exploits of his Sifu and has done nothing himself, has no value to me.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;870690]While I appreciate that some send me what HW8 is saying, I have him on ignore for a reason, the fact that he “responds” to me even though I have him on ignore is a tad “stalker-like” and quite strange.[/quote]
What is “strange” is that you make False and Untruthfull accusations aimed at me and are using the “ignore button” excuse not to prove your your accusations.
YOU ARE A LIAR SANJURO AND IF YOU HAD AN OUNCE OF CREDIBILITY BEFORE THEN YOU HAVE LOST IT WITH THAT LAST POST!
Furthermore, you wouldn’t know real kung fu if it fell on you.
Of course you don’t care and that is because someone like HW8 would be talking about kung fu and every time he does he exposes you for the glorified kickboxer that you are.
YES, KEEP REPEATING THE LIES and do your best to project a false image of me .:rolleyes:
Nobody is living via supposed exploits of his sifu…you are doing your best Sanjuro, but it ain’t working. Fact is my sifu has fought some challenges and a couple of people that he beat up were kickboxers just like you. He did that without crosstraining idiotically in irrelevant martial arts. Now get over it.
I tell you what, put a couple of more videos of yourself breaking boards or slabs on the You Tube.
Since you have been “honest” enough to provide your real name here, we can all watch in “admiration” of the skills gained in 20 years plus of what amounts to glorified kickboxing practice.
Then you will feel important for a few days. There, isn’t that better than just lying about people you don’t know?
[QUOTE=unkokusai;870687]In other words, no they are not comparable, and you are hiding behind “street fight” that exists only in your little theory world.[/QUOTE]
HW (hardwork8) has never said who is WC sifu is, or who he is, or where he trains, he has made claims that have been proven to be BS and he has made claims about hsi sifu and sifu’s sifu that have never been able to be verified even though HE says they are documented.
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needs to be repeated again and again until everyone gets it
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;870739]so please, share with us the identity of this whirlwind of death he defeated men in seconds, can float on water and turns lead to gold :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
See, classic HardWork8, made claims regarding his teacher, when questioned about it, unable to prove any of it, and it smelled like shit, he just refused to reveal who he studied with and avoided the question