How do you defend against this?

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[QUOTE=donjitsu2;1112464]See, I don’t think a gun (or any weapon really) is a viable option.

A gun COULD work, but you’d have to deploy it and I feel like people seriously overestimate how quickly they can draw their weapon.

I’m not sure I 100% agree with Gene, but he makes a good point.

Though I think there are ways you can prepare yourself mentally for such a situation.[/QUOTE]

Personally I would either run or take the beating. I wouldnt pull any weapon at all. Even if you get away, you will get jumped with weapons by those same people later and likely die.

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If you pack like I do on a daily basis and every where I go, One of those hooligans would be dead.. It’s either that or move to another state less populated by imbeciles!!

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If you cannot avoid it, you’re pretty much in for a beating. However, to just submit to the beating may not always be the best idea. People end up brain dead or plain old dead from beatings. You can’t expect a group of thugs to hit/stomp you only a couple of times then stop out of compassion or fear of any consequences.

A real answer is difficult, because with so many people attacking, there’s no way you’re going to outrun them, esp. when they’re: more, sociopathic, younger, in a mob mentality; and you’re: outnumbered, older, or have an injury or condition that affects your running speed. I always think of that when hearing people with their kneejerk answer, “Just run away!”

I’ve been present when a few riots have broken out, and if you’ve never been, you’d be amazed how quickly things spread and get out of control. People not even involved in the initial violence will suddenly turn and start lashing out at anyone nearby. Luckily I was either on the fringes (when I realized what was going down, I got out of there fast) or slightly above it and thus avoided getting caught in them. I saw single guys get separated from their groups and pounded/kicked on unmercifully by multiple attackers.

If you pull any type of weapon, it better be justified, and it better be to use it, not to brandish it. Virtually everyone’s carrying SOMEthing nowadays, so no one’s going to be impressed if you do.

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I used to work security at a teen club. We dealt with exactly that kind of situation all the time. Having witnessed a doze of these types of attacks and stopped about a dozen, I have come to a few basic conclusion.

You get attacked when:

  1. You look out of place from the neighborhood
  2. Being alone
  3. Looking like you can’t defend yourself

If you get attacked the best thing to do is to stomp the leader and everyone else falls in line. Based on the video, those were all nothing but skinny punk kids. Any well trained adult man or woman should be able to stop that attack.

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[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1112732]I used to work security at a teen club. We dealt with exactly that kind of situation all the time. Having witnessed a doze of these types of attacks and stopped about a dozen, I have come to a few basic conclusion.

You get attacked when:

  1. You look out of place from the neighborhood
  2. Being alone
  3. Looking like you can’t defend yourself

If you get attacked the best thing to do is to stomp the leader and everyone else falls in line. Based on the video, those were all nothing but skinny punk kids. Any well trained adult man or woman should be able to stop that attack.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, take out the leader and/or the one with the mouth!

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[QUOTE=donjitsu2;1112385]Woman Assaulted by “Dozens” of Teens/Young Adults

How do you defend against something like this: A group of people who decide to lash out at strangers for the hell of it?

All the Kung Fu/MMA/Sanda/Karate/Krav Maga in the world won’t save you from 12+ people bent on beating the dog sh!t out of you.

Obviously, situational awareness and avoiding known bad areas is the first line of good self defense, but what happens if you’re at a social event like a downtown festival, outdoor concert, sporting event, ect… and this crap happens?

Similar situations have occurred in Chicago, Charlotte, and Philadelphia

How can you REALISTICALLY protect yourself and your family from stuff like this?

Guns/Weapons?

Run Like he11?

Turtle-up and hope help arrives?

I’ve just been thinking a lot about this lately and I want to know what you guys think.

Train Hard,
Josh Skinner[/QUOTE]

Well according the MMA guys, whos art is the latest and greatest, you take em down do a kimura or ground and pound on them… :stuck_out_tongue:

Me personally, use MA to gain space, pull out gun and start firing at the next person that comes at me. Keep firing and moving until I get taken down or they run. After that call lawyer, then the cops. Next day, call a therapist.

When I was college age and also my time in the military, I have never seen a one on one fight that stayed that way. Even seen a guy get stabbed as he walked out of a party to “take it outside”. He was following the guy that called him out, while the guy that called him out buddy was waiting by the door. As soon as he walked past, he got stabbed and the two guys ran. Point I am trying to make it, you need to take every advantage you can on your side. From understanding the situation and stayng clear of it, to martial arts, to carrying a gun, to having people that have your back.

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Excellent thought!

I went to high school with a guy who was asked to “take it outside” and once they got outside he pulled a straight razor and slit the guy’s throat!

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Keep firing and moving until I get taken down or they run.

I’d hope you’d empty the clip first. if you get taken down and the gun still has bullets you’re fukked.

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[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1112733]Exactly, take out the leader and/or the one with the mouth![/QUOTE]

These are just kids. This isn’t a prison fight to the death against 12 hardened convicts. The idea that one needs to just take a beating is preposterous in this situation. If it were a prison fight, better to die on your feet than live on your knees. Although, if you give up in a prison situation, chances are, you are dead.

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[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1112756]These are just kids. This isn’t a prison fight to the death against 12 hardened convicts. The idea that one needs to just take a beating is preposterous in this situation. If it were a prison fight, better to die on your feet than live on your knees. Although, if you give up in a prison situation, chances are, you are dead.[/QUOTE]

LOL! Hold on! I am not saying kill him, you take out the leader and the pack tends to quit. In a group like that you either give up, run or have a good strategy. The mouth motivates and the leader compels, take one or the other or both out and it is likely the group will stop, but it is not a sure thing!

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[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1112760]LOL! Hold on! I am not saying kill him, you take out the leader and the pack tends to quit. In a group like that you either give up, run or have a good strategy. The mouth motivates and the leader compels, take one or the other or both out and it is likely the group will stop, but it is not a sure thing![/QUOTE]

I think that we have a misunderstanding somewhere. I am not advocating hurting those kids. I was just suggesting putting the head kid on his butt or embarrassing him a bit. A nice throw or arm lock can be enough.

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[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1112768]I think that we have a misunderstanding somewhere. I am not advocating hurting those kids. I was just suggesting putting the head kid on his butt or embarrassing him a bit. A nice throw or arm lock can be enough.[/QUOTE]

Not with a mob! While you are doing that someone will take advantage of your blind spot! I don’t care if they are kids, once they are a mob, they are a deadly weapon intent on doing you bodily harm! That’s makes them fair game for the same!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srTiP71Jz3k

:smiley:

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:confused:

Well, I am having a hard time with this one…Shotgun? Mace? bullwhip coated with glued glass and metal shards? Claymore?

I guess that a good katana would do some good in a mob situation. Then again, I’ve also seen firecrackers work.

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Having a pair of trained German Shepards might do the job.

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I wasn’t thinking clearly about this. Here is a good answer…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4nknAzQPHE

Or well, tear gas…

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[QUOTE=donjitsu2;1112464]See, I don’t think a gun (or any weapon really) is a viable option.

A gun COULD work, but you’d have to deploy it and I feel like people seriously overestimate how quickly they can draw their weapon.

I’m not sure I 100% agree with Gene, but he makes a good point.

Though I think there are ways you can prepare yourself mentally for such a situation.[/QUOTE]

This is a good post right here. If we are talking guns, we are talking concealed carry. Belly bands are not quick draw. Hell, **** near anything for conceal carry doesn’t really lend itself to quick drawing in those kinds of situations.

You know, living in the Philadelphia area I’m so glad I don’t go to the city often and rarely with the whole family and when we do we tend to avoid the most popular areas. While I might go to a vegan pizza shop near South Street, I don’t go to South Street. In this town “flash mob” has a completely different connotation because some kids have taken the idea and turned it into a flash mob rumble.

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[QUOTE=Zenshiite;1112797] In this town “flash mob” has a completely different connotation because some kids have taken the idea and turned it into a flash mob rumble.[/QUOTE]

I noticed the media has been referring to these incidents as “flash mobs”.

I’ve always thought a flash mob was more of type of random performance with a large group of people in a public place.

Apparently these people are using smart phones and social media to get the word out about their plans.

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Sometimes one-on-one is hard enough, much less multiples.
I have gone 3 on 1 and 4 on 1, but in the environment of a club the numbers can work against them.
I have found that the great equalizer ( to HELP YOU GET THE **** OUT) is footwork AND “KO power”.
That said, when the numbers are great, hit and run is the only option.
And if you can’t run, well…no harm in taking as much of them with you as you can.

One thing though and I saw this happen and it stuck with me:
One of our bouncers got into trouble outside and when I got there he was on the ground and about 5 guys were kicking at him.
As we cleared the group ( putting it nicely) we noticed that there were 6, the 6th being on the ground and in the bouncers guard - he had been using him as a shield of sorts ( as best he could).

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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1112829]Sometimes one-on-one is hard enough, much less multiples.
I have gone 3 on 1 and 4 on 1, but in the environment of a club the numbers can work against them.
I have found that the great equalizer ( to HELP YOU GET THE **** OUT) is footwork AND “KO power”.
That said, when the numbers are great, hit and run is the only option.
And if you can’t run, well…no harm in taking as much of them with you as you can.

One thing though and I saw this happen and it stuck with me:
One of our bouncers got into trouble outside and when I got there he was on the ground and about 5 guys were kicking at him.
As we cleared the group ( putting it nicely) we noticed that there were 6, the 6th being on the ground and in the bouncers guard - he had been using him as a shield of sorts ( as best he could).[/QUOTE]

That is awesome.