How could this happen?

Do you think this could possibly happen in America?

http://www.56.com/w73/play_album-aid-9632532_vid-NjM4NTUxMjQ.html

(watch from 40 seconds)

This is China. It is an example of a complete lack of social responsibility and complete negligence and incompetence on behalf of everyone.

The reason I post this is because I live in China and I love it. But there are some things I dislike and this video sums up those things perfectly. I see minor examples of this kind of negligence everyday and everywhere. I often complain about it, but people always think I am being too critical. They don’t see the problem and think we are the same in the West.

But I do not think this could possibly happen in, say, America. I just don’t think it could. I think average people in the West are much more aware of their actions and of their social responsibility. But maybe I am wrong.

Is it just me? What do you think?

I pray the little girl survives.

Can it happen in America?

Yes, yes it can…

In fact:

Approximately 1,229 people have been killed so far this year by hit and run drivers in the US.*

Another, 83,628 people have been injured.*

so, yes, that was a tragic thing to occur and to have it go viral on the internet.
I’m sure it will cause more cat calls about how the chinese are all monsters and don’t care, but this does happen right here. We have our own uncaring monsters and plenty of them.

It happens anywhere there are vehicles in abundance. Everywhere.

Really?

But there is a whole series of epic fails here.

She was hit by TWO cars. The first car continued to drive over a second time after realising he hit her. And 19 people walked past. The person who moved her just left her. And what was she doing alone for so long in the first place.

I mean, sure one or two of the above 23 fails could have happened… but ALL of them?

Maybe it is just me then…

1,229 huh? That is a lot…

Although I think its great for this kind of thing to go viral on the internet. It gives it the attention it deserves and makes us all just a little more cautious.

firstly it went on the news. so obviously this isnt something common.

secondly it happened in foshan, guangdong. need i say more?

[QUOTE=bawang;1137712]firstly it went on the news. so obviously this isnt something common.
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That is a good point. It just lines up with a lot of my personal experiences.

If you have both the ability and opportunity to help someone, but you choose not to, where does the law stand on that?

It is a tragedy. It probably isn’t common at all, but it does happen. It was dark, she was very small. Horrible, but when you see something truly horrifying, it is not your first thought that what you are looking at is real.

I can understand how people wouldn’t have even made the connection that that was a person.

I hope for her too.
I hope that many people see this and improve their attentiveness while driving as well.

There was a case here earlier in the year of a young guy trying to help an OAP who had collapsed, he ended up in a Chinese court and now has to pay something like 100,000rmb in compensation…
Two weeks ago I was waiting at some traffic lights and I watched a bus drive over a guy on a motorbike, the bus driver stopped, walked back to the guy who was motionless - lying face down on the road, and started dragging him by one arm to the kerb.Whilst probably trying to help he was surely not.. I stopped him and tried to warn other drivers to keep clear while the bus driver reluctantly called for an ambulance.
The story about the two year old girl is tragic, I don’t think anyone who watches the cctv of what happened won’t feel completely shocked. But why was a two year old left to play alone - on a road ?.
The driver of the first vehicle, a large van has told the press he had fallen out with his girlfriend and was trying to use his mobile at the time, everyone seems to use their mobiles while driving in China, sadly no one had the common sense to use one to call for help.
The first driver handed himself in but only after he had contacted the girls father and offered him money…the father refused.
The driver also rang the press and told them that if the girl survives he will have to pay for the rest of his life…much more than if she dies.
There are cries far and wide across China for him to be executed. I would like to see the re-introduction of “Ling-chi” for this particular character.
Whilst there can be no good ending to this, I really hope that the authorities will ban the use of mobile phones in cars, and that people will not hesitate to try and help out when possible, although I can’t see that happening here for some time yet.

How awful. You’d think they’e be able to get the license plate off that truck.

We had a shooting in San Jose some 25+ years ago. My memory is pretty sketchy on it, but I think it was a robbery. The person bled out on a major street corner. There were many witnesses. No one helped.

It’s called Bystander Apathy or the Bystander Effect and has been a documented since the mid '60s. There were several psych experiments on it where victims were ignored on the streets. It’s a fairly robust psychological effect, sad to say.

I think that the event hit TV and national news is simply because it was caught in it’s entirety by security video. Most of these happenings are not so well documented and so does not ring with such severity. My question is, what in the he11 was a 2 year old child out there at that time and for so long that all this took place. What was the parents doing? Some of the people did stop and look to see if it was real, some just walked on around. People just don’t want to get involved in other peoples junk. And for very good reason. They usually end up being responsible for something when there is no one else to blame. The parents should share any punishment that the first driver draws.
Several years ago now a small child died on a freeway while his mother sat in a pub drinking beer with some dude. The child woke up and went looking for his mother.
They investigate anyone that chooses to adopt. They spend endless hours determining their ability to care for a child. But anyone can just start having them with absolutely no training in childcare at all. I think anyone that chooses to have a child needs to take some sort of training. Just getting pregnant without a certificate should be a felony and punishable as such.

Yeah, I heard about bystander apathy. But in a violent situation its different because our self defense instincts kick in and we don’t want to get involved in the violence. Now Everyone has mobile phones I would expect the effect to be somewhat lessened.

Its true that the Mother should take some part of the blame here, but the driver is really nasty. I mean, sure he didn’t mean to hit her at first, but the force of the impact stopped his car. At this point he MUST have looked, realised it was a child and made the conscious decision to drive over with the back wheels. There is no way you hit something that makes your car stop, and then don’t look what it was before you bring the rest of the car over it.

Also the second car makes me angry, who is so stupid to drive over something without looking at it.

I mean there is a lot of Blame to go round here.

[QUOTE=GETHIN;1137733] I really hope that the authorities will ban the use of mobile phones in cars, and that people will not hesitate to try and help out when possible, although I can’t see that happening here for some time yet.[/QUOTE]

I have had similar experiences as you mentioned above.

China needs all its road laws completely reinvented, but a ban on mobiles would be a good start.

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There are cries far and wide across China for him to be executed. I would like to see the re-introduction of “Ling-chi” for this particular character.[/QUOTE]

Mm, Death by 10,000 cuts… Seems appropriate. I mean, it wouldn’t help the little girl but it might make the other drivers in China aware of the gravity of the situation.

Well the little girl died apparently and all the news channels are running with it so they can show the horrible video one last time.

Corporate news broadcasting centers are run by people who are pure evil. I’m certain of it now.

Oh no…D*mn

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/17/toddler-hit-and-run-china

Many say they are too scared, blaming extortion attempts by people who have accused Good Samaritans of causing their injuries and judges who have backed such claims. But some talked of a new moral low after seeing passersby including a woman holding a small girl by the hand walk around a two-year-old lying in a pool of blood.

China Daily claimed that the woman who stopped, a rubbish collector, was even told by shopkeepers to mind her own business when she tried to find out the child’s identity.

Many internet users expressed fury, describing those who ignored Yueyue as less than human. “Where did conscience go What has happened to the Chinese people?” wrote one, Reissent1987.

Several pointed out that it was a rubbish collector among the poorest and often worst-educated members of society who stopped to help, while others carried on.

But some said that people should ask themselves how willing they would have been to help before criticising.

One said that while the footage was heartbreaking he would have been “numb” to Yueyue too. “Would you be willing to throw your entire family’s savings into the endless whirlpool of accident compensation? Aren’t you afraid of being put into jail as the perpetrator? Have you ever considered that your whole family could lose happiness only because you wanted to be a great soul?” he wrote.

Chinese media said the two drivers who had hit Yueyue were now in police custody.

http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/17/foshan_toddler_yueyue_still_under_i.php

Earlier media reports that Yueyue, the toddler who was knocked down by two vehicles outside a market in Foshan, has passed away have turned out to be false.
Yueyue’s mother has appeared on Sina Weibo herself to clarify the situation. She said that while Yueyue was still unable to breathe on her own, her situation has stabilised, and she has regained some sensation in her limbs. Doctors say that her chances of recovery are now better than earlier estimated.
Meanwhile, the first driver who knocked down Yueyue has also been apprehended by the police. Chinese media reports say he had just broken up with his girlfriend and was on his cell phone when he hit the girl.
He had called Yueyue’s father to say he would never surrender, and that he could give him some money if that was what he wished. When a journalist called (tune in to the call below), he revealed that he was planning to escape to Xinjiang.
“You saw that girl on the CCTV footage, she didn’t see where she was going, you know. I was on the phone when it happened, I didn’t mean it,” he said. “When I realised I had knocked her down, I thought I’d go down to see how she was. Then when I saw that she was already bleeding, I decided to just step on the gas pedal and escape seeing that nobody was around me.”
“If she is dead, I may pay only about 20,000 yuan ($3,125). But if she is injured, it may cost me hundreds of thousands yuan,” he added.

http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/18/meet_chen_xianmei_the_trash_collect.php

Journalists have located Chen Xianmei, the woman who came to the rescue of Yueyue, the two-year-old toddler who was knocked down by two vehicles and left to die by 18 passersby in Foshan, Guangdong province. 58-year-old Chen works as a domestic helper for a hardware shop in the market by day, and a trash collector by night. The girl’s parents are inconsolable when they finally meet their benefactor and kowtow to her profusely.
Chen says that when she found the toddler, Yueyue had one eye shut and the other eye open looking at her. After pulling the girl to the side of the road, Chen went around to all the shops in the neighbourhood asking if anyone had lost their daughter. Nobody responded.
When asked if she was afraid of getting into trouble by helping the girl, Chen said, “I didn’t think I was getting into any trouble. I didn’t think so much. I just wanted to help her.” And having said that, she excused herself form the journalists and returned to work.

Well I hope the rumor she has passed away are false.

“You saw that girl on the CCTV footage, she didn’t see where she was going, you know. I was on the phone when it happened, I didn’t mean it,” he said. “When I realised I had knocked her down, I thought I’d go down to see how she was. Then when I saw that she was already bleeding, I decided to just step on the gas pedal and escape seeing that nobody was around me.”
“If she is dead, I may pay only about 20,000 yuan ($3,125). But if she is injured, it may cost me hundreds of thousands yuan,”

This quote from the driver is so awful I really think I could kill him myself. I mean, when he decided to ‘step on the gas’ he ran his back wheels over her multiplying the damage he had already done. I mean it was attempted murder. After he realised she was injured he thought it would be better if he killed her because it would cost him less.

Imagine being someone who thinks like that…

And the fact he admits his line of thinking so readily means he expects other people to think like that too.

I have decided its not just me who thinks this is a culteral problem. After reading about this I have read about many more such cases, one where the person run down was run over by 4 other cars afterwards. And of the many cases I have read about those are the ones that were caught on camera, there must be many more that are never known about. China does have a serious problem.

The shopkeepers telling the helping woman to mind her own buisness is familiar. I have been told this before. Once while helping a girl who was being beaten by her father. The 30 odd people watching told me to mind my own buisness. Another time when at a crossing a woman was picking another womans purse and I stopped her. Many people saw clearly but no one even said anything, they told me to ‘Zou ni de lu, guan ni de shi’ Walk your road, mind your buisness. Another time when I took the registration of a car that hit a man, checked if he was breathing, hailed down the police (after one policeman had looked and driven past). Two other times when reporting incidents which I won’t post. It gets to me sometimes.

This kind of behaviour is a serious problem.

Well, it’s not likely that China will suddenly have the Judeo-Christian ethic embedded into their culture where they will pre-guilt about such things and thereby alter behaviours that preclude these sorts of things.

People that have been pressed down and who have seen their government wipe out hoards of human beings for the sake of political ideology don’t see the value of life in the same way as someone from a particularly nurturing and somewhat egalitarian culture does.

It’s easy to not care when you have a certainty within you that you are not cared for either in a greater sense. It’s reciprocal and every one is on their own in that sort of thought form.

Take for instance how America was founded. “All men are created equal”. At the time, people who were not White and of european extraction were not even considered human and there was no penalty for killing anyone who wasn’t white. It was akin to shooting a mere animal. If it was a slave, you might have had to pay the monetary value to the slave owner depending on what you shot the slave for.

Even today these prejudices manifest themselves in strange ways. If there is no apparent enemy to hate, people start to hate themselves. Or if the enemy you hate is far too powerful to do anything about, then hopelessness sets in and chaos follows.

Brace yourself, because in China it is going to get worse, far far worse. Capitalism has made a home there now, which will create a divide above a divide and there will be even less caring, less organized charity and so on. Yes, it’s a cultural problem. Every culture has cultural problems.

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It’s easy to not care when you have a certainty within you that you are not cared for either in a greater sense. .[/QUOTE]

That is well said.

Agreed, I think you just hit the nail on the head there.

1- the country has 1.3 billion people, its very tough thinking about others, most people are worried about survival.

2- prc wiped away traditional values and morals, created a spiritual vaccum, filled by capitalism

3-in psychology its called diffusion of responsibility. the more people, the less someone will take action.