Hey guys, I had a rather unpleasant ‘friendly’ fight with one of my mates. We were just having some fun dissing eachother in front of everybody (should have seen the looks on their faces lool). So we act as if we’re gonne fight, he does kickbox btw. So I set myself in a normal sparring position, where my weight is more or less on both legs, with my left leg in front. He gives a kick with his left leg, which goes right past my balls lol. I was lucky to not get my balls knocked out, and we just sparred a little more just for fun. But all I could think of was that first kick… I mean was there something wrong with my stance ? There was no way I could have lifted my back leg to then use it and block that kick.. Should I just have grabbed it with my hand or something ? The kick went just above my balls.. I’m all confused now lol
What stance were you in?
My lead knee protects my nuts.
Not to mention my forward intent or mobility, or my kick to his groin…
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Left foot forward, right foot back, weight equally devided over both legs, rather wide stance (sparring stance)
Doesnt this stance have a name? What style do you hail from?
At any rate mobility is what protects your nuts and other vitals from being punched and kicked. Also the fact that you are bearing down on the bad man, makes it harder for him to target, even connect.
What were you doing while he was busy kicking at your nuts? Just standing there?
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It wasn’t a real fight, we were just doing some **** to scare the crowd lol. The stance doesn’t have a name no, just your basic Sanshou/Sanda/Sparring stance. I just wonder if I should have my weight divided differently when sparring or something, can’t ask my trainer since it will be two weeks till next practice (school stuff) but I wanne know now !
Like yenhoi said stances should not be static but merely transition points.
And your lead knee should always protect your groin.
what kind of kick did he throw? could you not lift your leg and block with the shin?
He kicked euhm .. I don’t know what it’s called, but instead of a lowkick, that same movement, but towards my hips, weird way to kick yes, but he could have had my nuts 
So he went around, kicked in a way that I would ‘fall’ into my void, although he didn’t think it through, he just kicked me with his right leg since that’s his only good kicking leg apparently. My groin was protected for that sort of kick, from his left leg, but not his right leg. Perhaps a picture of a stance where you are well protected could be usefull ? Since in sparring we don’t kick to the groin anyway (not allowed in sanshou sport), I’m not prepared for it apparently. And stances should be a good static defence imho, I’m not gonne jump around like a boxer, I’ve seen some of the best Sanshou tournaments (on tape) from my weight class etc.. to prepare myself a little better, and I have to say the ones that jump around all the time usually lose, and the ones with a strong stance, that only move when necessary win, so if the other person doesn’t move, they don’t move, or if the other one just jumps in circles around them, they just step and turn in a relaxed but very controlled way (Anyone who does Sanshou knows what I’m talking about I think, it’s the basic moving they teach you when you start learning sanshou/sanda). So I’m not looking for an answer in the sence of move more or something, cause that’s not the real problem, there was something extremely wrong with my stance I think, I should have been able to avoid this almost-painfull moment, without having to jump/move excessively. Unless by moving you mean stepping aside, that would have been an option too of course, but I don’t know if it was the right one, I’d love to get more input on this, because I can’t wait another two weeks to ask my teacher =)
Hmmm
Well if he had of hit your crown jewels it would of totally been your fault for standing in a double-weighted stance. Personally I can’t think of anything else more weaker or slower to react than a stance which has 50% weight in each foot.
I’m not gonne jump around like a boxer
Most boxers are moving very specifically and with a purpose.
there was something extremely wrong with my stance
Yep, your weight was 50/50 and you werent moving. Because you were flat footed and double weighted, you will find it hard to move quickly in attack or defense.
Unless by moving you mean stepping aside,
Exactly, move out of the way, to the side, forward, or back. Or like 7* said, block or deflect the kick by lifting one of your legs into his.
Unless the boxers you know or have seen are complete dolts, they could probably teach you a quick (and painful) lesson in mobility, economy of movement, speed, fluidity, combination, and even protecting your groin (even a modern boxer has a lead knee guard…)
As much as you want to have root and be deliberate in your actions and movements, you also need to be able to move quickly and lightly. You also should be attacking your opponent.
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We were just playing, please don’t forget that lol
So 50-50 should be avoided at all costs ? Ok that’s good to know, so far I usually wait in that position for something to happen.. I prefer setting weight on the front leg then, to not give away my leg for low kicks etc.. and it’s indeed easier to react this way, I practiced with my brother, the weight in WT stance (back leg) was totally bad against low kicks, but with weight on my front leg I could take some serious kicks in my side of the upper leg, and I could move better too.
I think the 50-50 is a bad habbit because I do so much pushing hands the last couple of weeks, I always start there with a 50-50 stance.
My stance is kinda screwed these last couple of months, my trainer told me already, I just can’t help falling back in old WT stances etc.. that gets me killed when he sees I’m leaving my front leg empty lol, definatelly in moving step pushing hands So now I’m just kinda looking for the best stance, to spar in.
Thanks guys. I know this is a stupid question to ask here, but I just couldn’t wait for an answer that long, thanks again for helping
Re: Hmmm
Originally posted by Repulsive Monkey
Well if he had of hit your crown jewels it would of totally been your fault for standing in a double-weighted stance. Personally I can’t think of anything else more weaker or slower to react than a stance which has 50% weight in each foot.
You’re joking, yeah?
Tzuchan,
Thanks guys. I know this is a stupid question to ask here, but I just couldn’t wait for an answer that long, thanks again for helping
I don’t think that the weight distribution is your problem. Your problem is getting too settled in that distribution. Personally, I see no problem with a fifty-fifty split. Better maneuverability than weight on either the front or back leg. In those cases, you need to shift your weight before you can use any footwork.
Granted, any kicking you do with a leg will be faster if there’s no weight on it beforehand (e.g., cat stance). But personally, my priority is footwork. I’d rather shift to kick than shift to move. Getting myself in the most advantageous position is paramount.
If you took a wide stance and settled into it, then that’s the problem. But that’s not your weight distribution. That’s your posture.
And, as has already been mentioned, boxers don’t bounce. They maintain a low level of movement. There’s purpose behind it. Calling it ‘bouncing’ is missing the point.
Stuart B.
I wouldent say avoid 50/50, what I am saying is to move, be moving, dont stand there and wait.
Whenever Ive done push hands Ive been told (and learned by being knocked on my ass..) to avoid a static 50/50 weighting.
I am a fan of the Wing Chun 0/100 weighting, but will repeat myself, move… move… move. Having an ‘empty’ leg gives you many options and a different set of defensive mechanisms. The trick is that your leg is never really empty unless it needs to be. Move!
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apoweyn
Course I’m not joking why are you? You got to be kidding me if you think that a static 50/50 stance is gonna do anything worthwhile for you. Yenhoi breaks it open further in that movement should be constantly moving, but in a rest period I would definitely feel relaxed and ready in a 70/30 - 80/20 stance, it makes more sense.
Push hands should have you ever being 50/50, thats just asking for trouble.
RM,
You misread his post. Take your head out of the dogma and pay attention.
50/50 is ok AS LONG AS you don’t hang out there. When I box my weight is 50/50 because I want to move in any direction quickly–I’m also always moving. The weight shift comes when I throw a punch. Weight shifts to move are relatively minor. In thai boxing, I tend to weight the back leg more so my front leg is available for shin checks. My movement is consequently slower as I have to shift weight to move.
Bottom line–if you want to use movement as defense, you can’t heavily weight one leg or you have to shift all that weight to . If you’re more interested in putting body parts between you and the other guy then maybe a different distribution is necessary.
Re: apoweyn
Originally posted by Repulsive Monkey
Course I’m not joking why are you?
Nope. I’m not joking.
You can’t think of anything slower to react than a 50/50 weight distribution. Okay. That’s your experience, I guess. But I personally can’t think of anything faster for movement (footwork) than a 50/50 distribution. As I said earlier, if you’re kicking, it’ll obviously be faster if there’s no weight on it. No weight shift required. But if you’re looking to actually change your location, then you’ll need to redistribute your weight to do it. (Or hop, I suppose) In that case, the 50/50 is faster, in my experience.
You got to be kidding me if you think that a static 50/50 stance is gonna do anything worthwhile for you.
Reading is fundamental, RM. Give it another try. Tell you what: I’ll make it easy on you and quote myself (from a post that actually went up prior to the post by Yenhoi you cite below):
I don’t think that the weight distribution is your problem. Your problem is getting too settled in that distribution.
Too settled = not moving. Dig?
Yenhoi breaks it open further in that movement should be constantly moving
How about that.
But in a rest period I would definitely feel relaxed and ready in a 70/30 - 80/20 stance, it makes more sense.
To you. Not to me. But that’s fine. Opinions vary. I didn’t ask whether you were joking because I thought that this opinion here was absurd. But the statement that you can’t imagine anything less maneuverable than a 50/50 is a pretty serious statement. An overstatement, in my opinion. Fifty fifty on the balls of your feet is very maneuverable. Fifty fifty on your heels, very not maneuverable.
Push hands should have you ever being 50/50, thats just asking for trouble.
I don’t get this sentence. Did you mean ‘never’ being 50/50? If so, where’s your weight in push hands? I’ve not done that exercise, personally.
Stuart B.
Usually in push hands if you become double weighted (50/50… static..) you fall over. But, if you stop your weight anywhere, if the guy has any sort of sensitivity, you will fall over.
I cant describe push hands. Taichi sticky hands. One person feeds energy, the other recieves and redirects. Or so.
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Originally posted by yenhoi
Usually in push hands if you become double weighted (50/50… static..) you fall over. But, if you stop your weight anywhere, if the guy has any sort of sensitivity, you will fall over.
Thanks for the description, Yenhoi.
I cant describe push hands. Taichi sticky hands. One person feeds energy, the other recieves and redirects. Or so.
Yeah, I guess I’ll need to see more of it in person to really get the whole picture. Though I get the concept.
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Word.
Stuart B.