“Most other MA’s don’t use or need chi-sau type interaction, but WC concepts must be developed into skill through chi-sau practice, otherwise they’re largely useless.”
You basically said other MA’s don’t require chi sao practice, but WC is largely useless without it.
One possible conclusion would be that other MA’s are better because they work without chi sao practice. One less requirement for success.
Unless you are implying that most other MA’s are useless, which IMO would be … dare I say it … retarded.
All MA’s require drilling, and practice against non-compliant partners/opponents. Chi sao is not magic and arguably not unique in purpose.
Compared to many traditional martial arts, that is the case.
What about non traditional arts? WC is hardly the only concept based art.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1209634]You basically said other MA’s don’t require chi sao practice, but WC is largely useless without it.
One possible conclusion would be that other MA’s are better because they work without chi sao practice. One less requirement for success.[/quote]
There’s a difference in strategy & tactics, hence training tools, final product, and “success”. WC can’t do without chi-sau because of its strategy & tactics which differ in other arts and consequently don’t require chi-sau to do what they do. It is my experience and opinion that chi-sau skill will make you a better fighter than without, provided it’s not a game of sticky hand chasing and is about hitting the person, because I am of the opinion that WC has superior strategy & tactics.. which require chi-sau practice.
“Most other MA’s don’t use or need chi-sau type interaction, but WC concepts must be developed into skill through chi-sau practice, otherwise they’re largely useless.”
You basically said other MA’s don’t require chi sao practice, but WC is largely useless without it.
One possible conclusion would be that other MA’s are better because they work without chi sao practice. One less requirement for success.
Unless you are implying that most other MA’s are useless, which IMO would be … dare I say it … retarded.
All MA’s require drilling, and practice against non-compliant partners/opponents. Chi sao is not magic and arguably not unique in purpose.
What about non traditional arts? WC is hardly the only concept based art.[/QUOTE]
Its obvious you dont know what chi-sao is for, you’re an assumptive egomaniac.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1209654]Opinions vary, yours is of little consequence
An assumptive egomaniac you apparently still can’t ignore, Kev.[/QUOTE]
That matters ? it doesnt change the fact you’re uninformed and casting assumptions like your opinion has weight ??? it doesnt dude, regardless of the reply.
[QUOTE=LFJ;1209642]There’s a difference in strategy & tactics, hence training tools, final product, and “success”. WC can’t do without chi-sau because of its strategy & tactics which differ in other arts and consequently don’t require chi-sau to do what they do. It is my experience and opinion that chi-sau skill will make you a better fighter than without, provided it’s not a game of sticky hand chasing and is about hitting the person, because I am of the opinion that WC has superior strategy & tactics.. which require chi-sau practice. :)[/QUOTE]
Kevin seems to be having lots of problems getting the ignore list to work, as I seem to somehow continually slip through. My posts seem to upset him, and the level of vituperation in his replies indicate an increasing level of angst and desperation with this situation.
I’ve added him to my ignore list, and, surprisingly, it works perfectly!
Just to double check, I added “Gentleman” Graham H to the list as well.
I’m going to leave it this way for a little while. As you all can imagine, I’m still not quite over being subject to the heinous insult from Kevin of being called an “assumptive egomaniac”. Where are the moderators when you need them? How can they stand back in the face of such torrid abuse?
I’ve got a significant backlog of Phillip Bayer competition chi sao vids from the forum to work my way through and don’t want to be distracted from that fascinating endeavour by further banter with Kev and Graham.
[QUOTE=firedragon21;1209197]Has anyone here learned total 100% or mostly 100% from videos and books?[/QUOTE]-
Since the thread is going as many do like a runaway train- I am commenting on your original question:
Ip Man (with Chan Wah Son and Leung Bik) Ho kam ming with Ip Man, Augustine Fong with Ho kam
Ming, Luis Ming Fai- all spent 7 to 8 years regularly learning regularly - not depending on books, videos or an occasional seminar or two. from their competent teachers..
But the common learning patterns these days appear to be quite different- perhaps accounting
for the disastrous state of much of wing chun.
IMO fwiw wing chun schools should shrink rather than expand until they get a handle on quality control.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1209833]Kevin seems to be having lots of problems getting the ignore list to work, as I seem to somehow continually slip through. My posts seem to upset him, and the level of vituperation in his replies indicate an increasing level of angst and desperation with this situation.
I’ve added him to my ignore list, and, surprisingly, it works perfectly!
Just to double check, I added “Gentleman” Graham H to the list as well.
I’m going to leave it this way for a little while. As you all can imagine, I’m still not quite over being subject to the heinous insult from Kevin of being called an “assumptive egomaniac”. Where are the moderators when you need them? How can they stand back in the face of such torrid abuse?
I’ve got a significant backlog of Phillip Bayer competition chi sao vids from the forum to work my way through and don’t want to be distracted from that fascinating endeavour by further banter with Kev and Graham.[/QUOTE]
Well the problem is simply that when anyone “quotes” a reply it doesnt matter if its ignored, it shows up anyway…redundant really.
You are are making some assumptions with absolutely no experience hands on…am I wrong ?
so you met PB, WSL, exchanged ideas ?