I’m interested in finding out more about potentially harmful side effects of Iron Palm training, especially as related to women and Iron Palm training. Replies or direction to literature
are greatly appreciated.
Matt
“It may be better to be a live jackal than a dead lion, but it is better still to be a live lion. And usually easier.” -R.A.H
Hi-
A cardinal rule to IP training is that you do it under the supervision of someone who has mastered it fully and understands it at a very deep level.
If you follow that first rule, you should be fine.
Side effects that can occur when practiced improperly would be things such as :
desensitized hands, wrists, forearms (neural damage)
hairline fractures to the small bones of the hands and wrists.
callous build up (in traditional iron Palm, this should not occur at all)
skin dryness and cracking (this comes from using a dit da jow that is not formulated properly for the practice. Generally it will have too much alcohol and not enough active herbs in it to cause this.)
A word to the wise, do not undertake self directed practice of Iron Palm training.
Also, do not practice Iron Palm until you are ready to do so within the path of your training as directed by your sifu, master or teacher.
peace
Kung Lek
Thanks for the reply.
I have completed the first level of what I feel is
a pretty traditional method of Iron Palm. For me, this was enough for now. I had supurvision from several sifus who had completed the entire program and I don’t believe I suffered any harm. I have read and heard hints at potentially damaging side effects to your body besides the physical ones you have described. One thing I have heard is that women in particular should be very carefull about training but not why. Another is that all the chi kung you are doing at the same time is NECESSARY to counterbalance the harmful side effects but no real explanation as to
what could go wrong if you don’t do the chi kung.
Since I’m rambling a bit I’ll toss this out:
Why train Iron Palm?
I’m not asking to hear the basic answers that may be offered, but what is the real point? To be able
to damage someone else more efficiently? Or, to be
able to recieve less damage from someone else?
I’ve trained for a little over 3 years in Hsing Yi
and Ba Gua and the exercises and chi kung in those arts increased my energy level and awareness incredibally. During the last 6 months of that period of time I did the first level (sand) of the IP system that was offered. I felt a difference but not as much as if I would train the chi kung diligently.
Just very curious about this, especially my original question of bad side effects. Thanks for reading and any constructive reply will be enjoyed.
Matt
“It may be better to be a live jackal than a dead lion, but it is better still to be a live lion. And usually easier.” -R.A.H
More risk of wearing down your wick with self abuse.
[QUOTE=Oso;37915]Thanks for the reply.
I have completed the first level of what I feel is
a pretty traditional method of Iron Palm. For me, this was enough for now. I had supurvision from several sifus who had completed the entire program and I don’t believe I suffered any harm. I have read and heard hints at potentially damaging side effects to your body besides the physical ones you have described. One thing I have heard is that women in particular should be very carefull about training but not why. Another is that all the chi kung you are doing at the same time is NECESSARY to counterbalance the harmful side effects but no real explanation as to
what could go wrong if you don’t do the chi kung.
Since I’m rambling a bit I’ll toss this out:
Why train Iron Palm?
I’m not asking to hear the basic answers that may be offered, but what is the real point? To be able
to damage someone else more efficiently? Or, to be
able to recieve less damage from someone else?
I’ve trained for a little over 3 years in Hsing Yi
and Ba Gua and the exercises and chi kung in those arts increased my energy level and awareness incredibally. During the last 6 months of that period of time I did the first level (sand) of the IP system that was offered. I felt a difference but not as much as if I would train the chi kung diligently.
Just very curious about this, especially my original question of bad side effects. Thanks for reading and any constructive reply will be enjoyed.
Matt
“It may be better to be a live jackal than a dead lion, but it is better still to be a live lion. And usually easier.” -R.A.H[/QUOTE]
Are you interested in iron palm or iron bone (palm, forearm, shin, shirt)?
lolz, 11 year old thread.
holy crap…was that my first ever post?
derp…no, i don’t think…first post in the thread…move along, nothing to see here.
[QUOTE=Oso;1190197]lolz, 11 year old thread.[/QUOTE]
lolz, you’ve been here 11 years.
[QUOTE=Oso;1190197]lolz, 11 year old thread.[/QUOTE]
.lol. missed that part.
There’s another iron palm thread out there now: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64219
So what ended up being your experience with the training? Have you kept up practice these long 11 years?
i did a 3 year internship at a cost of $300,000 but now i’m a jedi master.
I joined the sith and got even more powerful than your jedi’s, took a fraction of the time, and all it cost me was my soul and my conscience.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1190268]I joined the sith and got even more powerful than your jedi’s, took a fraction of the time, and all it cost me was my soul and my conscience.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the club my brother and remember:
There can be only TWO !!
I feel all warm and fuzzy inside…or is that the dark side?
[QUOTE=Lucas;1190272]I feel all warm and fuzzy inside…or is that the dark side?[/QUOTE]
I’m not telling…
A major bonus is i can just shoot lightning at my food to cook it myself.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1190276]A major bonus is i can just shoot lightning at my food to cook it myself.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention all the fun at birthday parties, barmitzvahs and swingers clubs !
I worked as Sifu Lam’s Shipping Manager for WLE for a few years. Being in that position you get to field allot of questions. Often I would get a question about VISION LOSS, something to the effect of;
Have you heard of or experienced loss of vision from practicing iron palm in the long term? I read that by using the tiger claw strike in iron palm you overstimulate the meridians connected to the eyes that terminate in the fingertips and thus damage the eyes.
I had to field this question many times back in the 90’s. It became comical to me. Because eventually I got disgusted and told the last guy that if he went blind from doing Iron Palm…Then he was most likely doing SOMETHING ELSE with his palm. LOL@@@!!!
But seriously, Sifu’s method (Ku Yu Cheung) is more like putting drops in the bucket. It’s consitent, steady to make you stronger and not meant to injure you. Only if you abuse yourself or try to cut corners do you pay the price for rushing it.
I had spoken with people who said that thier Piano Playing improved immensely…or a professional rock climber that said that “His hand-holds were really improved from Iron Palm training”.
Avoid the 3 “D’s” , NEVER:
-Deform yourself (cripple or handicap)
-Deaden yourself (as in deaden nerves or feeling)
or
-Deface yourself in anyway (aka visibly scar yourself) It’s not nesscessary in the modern day.
The body has natural hard points already that do not need to be abused. You just have to train properly and healthy.
“O”
[QUOTE=Subitai;1190289]I worked as Sifu Lam’s Shipping Manager for WLE for a few years. Being in that position you get to field allot of questions. Often I would get a question about VISION LOSS, something to the effect of;
…[/QUOTE]
This is also the danger I’ve heard of with fingertip conditioning. The prevention, as I was taught, is to simply use jow as you would normally. Without the jow, you risk injuries.
This is my Sith Master.
There are Chinese recipes for tonics to “brighten the eyes” you can take while doing this type of training as well, just FYI.