[QUOTE=Becca;769633]Interesting… I’ve always heard this one called a side thrust kick. Are you using the ball of the foot or the outside edge to make contact?[/QUOTE]
I think he is refering to the triangle kick a cross between a front and a round kick.
Ah. Makes more sence now. Amazing how we all know the same basic kicks, but call them something different.
[QUOTE=Becca;769633]Interesting… I’ve always heard this one called a side thrust kick. Are you using the ball of the foot or the outside edge to make contact?[/QUOTE]
no, it’s not a side kick at all. it is a roundhouse and connects with the shin.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;769643]I think he is refering to the triangle kick a cross between a front and a round kick.[/QUOTE]
I hate that kick. this kick is more roundhouse like than a triangle kick.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;769664]I hate that kick. this kick is more roundhouse like than a triangle kick.[/QUOTE]
I would have said the “no-shadow kick” but then all the Wong nutriders would throw a fit !!
[QUOTE=SevenStar;769662]no, it’s not a side kick at all. it is a roundhouse and connects with the shin.[/QUOTE]
Dam. Now I’m confused again. A roundhose done with a slight bend in the knee that connects with the shin is still a roundhouse, just conected a bit close in. Yes? No?
A triangle kick is a side kick done with the swinging lower leg found in a chamered roundhouse, but still conecting with the edge of the foot. A roundhouse has more of a whipping motion and connects with the top of the foot.
A pillow kick, as I used to understand it, is similar to this, but you “dig” the ball of the foot into soft tissue (similar to trying to get gum off the bottom of your shoe), rather than thrust through like a side kick or whip at the flanks like a roundhouse. Hence the term pillow.
we’re talking about the bent-leg thai kick right? sorta halfway between a knee and a round kick…
about the kicking up thing, anyone kick up to the inside of the opponent lead thigh?
[QUOTE=Becca;769686]Dam. Now I’m confused again. A roundhose done with a slight bend in the knee that connects with the shin is still a roundhouse, just conected a bit close in. Yes? No?
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yeah, that’s all it is. something similiar is done from the clinch - the half knee, or half knee half shin
when done as a kick rather than in clinch range, it is a suitcase kick.
[QUOTE=stricker;769762]we’re talking about the bent-leg thai kick right? sorta halfway between a knee and a round kick…[/quote]
bingo.
about the kicking up thing, anyone kick up to the inside of the opponent lead thigh?
I do, but I was never taught to. by kicking up, you can sometimes lift that leg and move it, knocking them off balance. I only do it with my lead leg kick.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;769765]bingo.
I do, but I was never taught to. by kicking up, you can sometimes lift that leg and move it, knocking them off balance. I only do it with my lead leg kick.[/QUOTE]
yeah i musta posted a few seconds before you did about the half-kick half-knee. that book link shows it as a clinch tactic to prevent knees, i didnt realise that WAS the kick, i thought it was 2 seperate techniques, one the kick and the second using the shin as a bar in the clinch… anwyay.
yeah i’ve been taught to kick up to the inside of the thigh with the lead leg, usually off a jab and a step. i thought thats why when some thais move their lead leg back it goes up and around so it doesnt get caught…
also, i was taught it was more of a thing to hurt, its quite a tender area under the thigh… making the kick more of a low round to the leg would split the legs like a sweep i guess
[QUOTE=SevenStar;769763]yeah, that’s all it is. something similiar is done from the clinch - the half knee, or half knee half shin
when done as a kick rather than in clinch range, it is a suitcase kick.[/QUOTE]
Ah, yes. I was thinking of the correct thing. Thanks!
Back to the PROBLEM with these three individuals.
The common thread between these three videos is the presence of the “floppy” foot.
Throwing the kick with a floppy relaxed foot without pointing the toe. Hence no tightening of the calf muscles, hence, no muscular mass supporting the bones. Hence, snap. I have heard this from MT people before, “the shins are like hitting with a bat.” But without the muscular support its like hitting with a corked bat.
In the real skinny guy’s case, it was not having enough calf to begin with. Twig legs.
Hitting with “the foot” is also too vague. One points the toe to hit with the instep no lower than the outer heel line. You don;t want to hit any lower than this, it would torque your ankle.
Interesting. Out of curiousity…in many one-legged stances where the raised leg is chambered in front of the body…is that the reason the toes are usually pointed towards the floor?
I have no idea…just asking people better informed than I.
[QUOTE=Shaolin Wookie;770946]Interesting. Out of curiousity…in many one-legged stances where the raised leg is chambered in front of the body…is that the reason the toes are usually pointed towards the floor?
I have no idea…just asking people better informed than I.[/QUOTE]
When sparring/fighting, you should not chamber the leg in front of the body, you should chamber it toward the kick. If you chamber directly in front of you, ala Crane Stance, the landing kick can spin your body and leave your vulnerable.
You want to meet their shin with your shin.
But, yeah, toes down tightens the leg muscles and also prevents broken/jammed toes.
Leg kicks in Kyokushin
When I see full contact karate, I see a verson of the shinkick, but it looks more like they’re striking with the inside of the foot, or with the heel (toes pointed at the sky).
I can’t tell if I’m seeing it wrong, or if that’s the actual technique.
Anyone know?
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;770952]When sparring/fighting, you should not chamber the leg in front of the body, you should chamber it toward the kick. If you chamber directly in front of you, ala Crane Stance, the landing kick can spin your body and leave your vulnerable.
You want to meet their shin with your shin.[/quote]
this is correct.
But, yeah, toes down tightens the leg muscles and also prevents broken/jammed toes.
this may be personal preference. I have had people stress that the toes should not point down while blocking, however they should point when striking. OTOH I have also had teachers stress pointing the foot. Not pointing them is more in line with thai footwork and also the ram muay.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;769402]a cut kick in muay thai is a roundhouse to the supporting leg of an opponent who is kicking at you. You are kicking out their supporting leg, hopefully knocking them down.[/QUOTE]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83AEG4wtyRA&mode=related&search=
this particular variation is actually called a submarine kick. If the guy was kicking, and his support leg was kicked, that is called a cut kick.
Very nice find 7*! It also demonstrated the need to really train the half moon jump. The only way I know to not crumble when a shin hits the inner calve is to not let it hit. 
[QUOTE=SevenStar;773399]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83AEG4wtyRA&mode=related&search=
this particular variation is actually called a submarine kick. If the guy was kicking, and his support leg was kicked, that is called a cut kick.[/QUOTE]
Nice move, BUt his foot is angle wrong on that clip, I assume because he isn’t really kicking, on this one you can see the correct angle of his kicking foot and how the low kick comes IN and never UP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h4KDpH5wYQ&mode=related&search=