originally posted by yellowpikachu
Dont avoid questions.
You’re kidding right!
Hendrick
WTF difference does it make?! I mean really guy!? Do you think that because you can link the style’s history to some other style that you will find the missing magical technique that will make your current wing chun invincible?! What?! I fail to understand why you put so much emphasis on this, and why you feel it’s so important to prove to us that wing chun is/was linked to “X” shaolin style from “X” temple of the “X” province.
EVERY style in martial arts that is practiced today, was evolved from something else, nothing is pure.
It doesn’t really matter man…let it go. All the secret scrolls of all the ancient chi power techniques won’t help you win a fight if you don’t simply train. Work with the here and now and your fighting ability will get better.
Living in the past robs you of the future, and focusing on the future robs you of the present. Live in the now man…live in the now.
Van:
What you just said is what a number of people have been telling him for quite some time now.
He doesn’t get it because he doesn’t want to get it.
A hopeless cause…
The guy is lost in his own delusions and escapist tendencies.
Originally posted by canglong
Your kidding right!
so , you really have no idea what is Keng Geng, how to develop it, what is the process of execution…etc.?
Re: Hendrick
Originally posted by Vankuen
[B]WTF difference does it make?! I mean really guy!? Do you think that because you can link the style’s history to some other style that you will find the missing magical technique that will make your current wing chun invincible?! What?! I fail to understand why you put so much emphasis on this, and why you feel it’s so important to prove to us that wing chun is/was linked to “X” shaolin style from “X” temple of the “X” province.
EVERY style in martial arts that is practiced today, was evolved from something else, nothing is pure.
It doesn’t really matter man…let it go. All the secret scrolls of all the ancient chi power techniques won’t help you win a fight if you don’t simply train. Work with the here and now and your fighting ability will get better.
Living in the past robs you of the future, and focusing on the future robs you of the present. Live in the now man…live in the now. [/B]
You are totally right but you are totally missing my points.
It makes all the different to find out about the tools one train with and rely on, similar to to find out if the products work, if it does the job, how does it do the job. what is the pro and cons…
as for living in the past robs you of future…
Do you still do SLT/SNT?
do you want to explain to all of us what is that SLT or SNT do exactly in details?
How is the SLT aid your fighting? Or it is a waste of time doing the silly set standing? (who fights that way? do your slt as much as you want, can that SNT/SLT or YJKYM sustain and safe you from the grapper’s front rush in take down? or your body break into two pice and fall?.. )
Otherwise, while you are doing SNT isnt that living in delusion of the future which never comes? or doing something a waste of time? because nothing works!
Is that Living in Now?
BTW, before you check into the Infra Red photographic and EEG data colections on mind/body research. making any claim about chi power techniques is just a claim without substance. Is that an act of Living in Now or living in one’s own delusion? or not aware of the High tech today ?
just some thoughts and you are welcome to not agree with me.
Originally posted by Ultimatewingchun
[B]Van:
What you just said is what a number of people have been telling him for quite some time now.
He doesn’t get it because he doesn’t want to get it.
A hopeless cause…
The guy is lost in his own delusions and escapist tendencies. [/B]
You want to describe to us what is Keng Geng, the process, the methodology…and how it links to SLT? what works what doesnt work… is the SLT/SNT snake oils?
otherwise, who is lost in thier own delusion of not trying to find out what happen ? such as if one brought a product and it doesnt work, dont one wants to find out what is going on, instead of calling those who does the investigation into the product – delusions and escapist ? hopeless?
I am not so sure.
Perhaps you dont want to find out why, what,… and that is ok.
However, those who like to find and iron out things cant be delusion and escapist or hopeless. That is very pragmatic practices to find out what happen.
Originally posted by canglong
[B]Inch power is also found in Hung Ga so you are connecting Wing Chun and Hung Ga.
. [/B]
is this Southern Shao Lin IRON WIRE SET where your biu Jee, inch power, and kiu sau from?
http://users.skynet.be/sb018200/ccl2000hgb.wmv
note: With highly respect and appreciation to the masters who makes possible to share so that for us to be able to see and study his excellent art.
"You want to describe to us what is Keng Geng, the process, the methodology…and how it links to SLT? what works what doesnt work… is the SLT/SNT snake oils? "
Of course not. I’ve got much better things to do with my time and energy.
Which is a major hint for you…
Instead of lamenting why it is that what you know doesn’t work as well as you’d like it to - and instead of looking for answers back in past centuries…
you could be finding answers in the HERE AND NOW - by spending more time training.
But I don’t think that will ever happen - because I believe you are a hopeless cause who actually enjoys wasting a lot of time on nothing.
Originally posted by Ultimatewingchun
[B]"You want to describe to us what is Keng Geng, the process, the methodology…and how it links to SLT? what works what doesnt work… is the SLT/SNT snake oils? "
Of course not. I’ve got much better things to do with my time and energy.
Which is a major hint for you…
Instead of lamenting why it is that what you know doesn’t work as well as you’d like it to - and instead of looking for answers back in past centuries…
you could be finding answers in the HERE AND NOW - by spending more time training.
But I don’t think that will ever happen - because I believe you are a hopeless cause who actually enjoys wasting a lot of time on nothing. [/B]
You remind me about the Qing in 1900 when the young emperor wanted to do the same with emperor meji of Japan to integrate the east and west’s best. The senior officials lost thier past and dont know how to face the western nations.
So, they believe in keep training thier Ultimate boxer which is "bullet proof. "
keep training and training and losing themself in training the ultimate boxers …
Ultimately they got totally blown away and they decide to Jump boat to totally accept the western view.
The western nations didnt fight them with wrestling but with technology…
I guess you are more Chinese/Qing and I am more western minded. 
“The western nations didn’t fight them with wrestling but with technology…”
Yeah - and maybe it’s time for you to start working with some new technology…like…Western Wrestling. (New for you - that is.)
Or something.
Anything…other than what you’re doing.
Because what you’re doing now is amounting to a big ZERO.
What a waste of time you are!!!
An Ultimate New Year’s Resolution?
STICK TO MY GUNS ABOUT NOT PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO YOUR POSTS!
Adios…clown!
Originally posted by Ultimatewingchun
[B]“The western nations didn’t fight them with wrestling but with technology…”
Yeah - and maybe it’s time for you to start working with some new technology…like…Western Wrestling. (New for you - that is.)
Or something.
Anything…other than what you’re doing.
Because what you’re doing now is amounting to a big ZERO.
What a waste of time you are!!!
An Ultimate New Year’s Resolution?
STICK TO MY GUNS ABOUT NOT PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO YOUR POSTS!
Adios…clown! [/B]
you must be either visiting Silvia Browne or had become a “psychik” so you can read minds, predicting futures, know what others is doing…etc
http://www.sylvia.org/home/2000plus.cfm
"Aliens will begin to show themselves in the year 2010, they will not harm us, they simply want to see what we are doing to this planet. They will teach us how to use anti-gravity devices again, such as they did for the pyramids. "
now, that is real high tech
BTW, I dont know the WCK Keng Geng yet. So the search on what is WCK keng geng is still the task of 2005!
The western nations didnt fight them with wrestling but with technology
The technology of wrestling is superior to the pipe dreams of alchemists to which you seem to adhere.
Check out these Yong Chun White Crane clips
Some on this forum have been deridiing Hendrik Santo for his theories regarding the connections between certain styles of White Crane.
I’d advise you to take a look at these clips from the CITY OF Yong Chun (ie Wing Chun) where they practice White Crane Kung Fu ( Bai He Chuen ).
I find the connection between THIS White Crane and Wing Chun to be quite apparent. Much more so than any Shaolin system.
Here is the site:
White Crane Kung Fu ( Bai He Chuen )
So far I’ve only looked at the 4 parry punches clip and Ba Shou (8 hands).
They look very very very similar in structure and mechanics to Wing Chun. I could certainly see where it could be an ancestor or from the same root.
Fujian White Crane Weng Chun, in its early form, as brought to Guangdong along the same migration route as the Tien Dei Hui, and as trained on the Red Junks by their mid-18th century leader, Lee Man-Mao, is likely what evolved into Guangdong Weng Chun, and one of the main components of Guangdong Wing Chun.
Either that, or it was dropped down by aliens. Wing Chun Tology, make your contributions now…
Rene,
Since you are a Matrix reloaded.
Here is a snap short of Fang Chih Niang Chuan Tzu or the Fang Chih-Niang’s art ancestor writing.
enjoy the 1650---------->
Fang Chih Niang Chuan Tzu translation?
And what does the writing translate to?
Originally posted by yellowpikachu
[B]Rene,
Since you are a Matrix reloaded.
Here is a snap short of Fang Chih Niang Chuan Tzu or the Fang Chih-Niang’s art ancestor writing.
enjoy the 1650----------> [/B]
“I find the connection between THIS White Crane and Wing Chun to be quite apparent.” (planetwc)
Okay, David.
Fair enough.
So now what?
Will that information do me (or you) any good in the here and now?
I’m interested in what you…David…think about that.
Looks like Fang Qiniang Quandao (Fong Chut Leung Kuen Do), or Fong Seventh-Daughter’s Fist Path down the middle. Rest is illegible to me.
Re: Fang Chih Niang Chuan Tzu translation?
Originally posted by planetwc
And what does the writing translate to?
it is translated to Fang Chie-Niang’s martial art source book.
within it lots of discussion on variety of momentums and how to use momentums to generate power…etc
One one front, it is interesting historical speculation. That as a point of reference doesn’t do you or me any good from a fighting standpoint.
On other fronts, it would only be interesting if one could compare their method of power generation and to do a comparison to what we in WCK do now–that is if we have that kind of ability ourselves.
As to training, does it help in that? Nope.
Seeing similar huen bo footsteps etc. doesn’t make one’s personal skill better. 
It is more for the armchair historian info. Unless someone steps up and does hard cross training in both to seek inch power generation and breathe life back into it. By that I mean practice it, codify it and teach it to others in a fashion that THEY can also do it.
Originally posted by Ultimatewingchun
[B]“I find the connection between THIS White Crane and Wing Chun to be quite apparent.” (planetwc)
Okay, David.
Fair enough.
So now what?
Will that information do me (or you) any good in the here and now?
I’m interested in what you…David…think about that. [/B]