[QUOTE=Howard;1152482]
Really ? Wudang Hong Quan is from the greater Xuzhou area in the central plains. such as Feng county and Peixian county - it is likely younger than Liuhe Quan, Yanqing Quan and Shanxi Hong Quan which have same named forms.[/QUOTE]
“Most accurate” doesn’t necessarily mean “the original”…
[QUOTE=LFJ;1152508]Yes, the encyclopedia shows both. The history bit tells the same story. They were both part of the material ZKY exchanged with Shaolin. But the encyclopedia is also the only reference I know for these.
From the introduction it appears the spear was a whole set, but Linglongquan was just loose techniques. Because it says, in the Linglongquan intro, he taught them the skills he was good at, particularly his Changquan and Linglongquan skills. But then it was Abbot Fuju who arranged the techniques into a 33 posture set named Shaolin Linglongquan.[/QUOTE]
Is there anyway I could get you to scan all the pages related to these sets and e-mail them to me?
Also, what else is in the Shaolin Encyclopedia that is related to Zhao Kuang Yin?
[QUOTE=Howard;1152482]Really ? Wudang Hong Quan is from the greater Xuzhou area in the central plains. such as Feng county and Peixian county - it is likely younger than Liuhe Quan, Yanqing Quan and Shanxi Hong Quan which have same named forms.
The Legend: During the Song dynasty there was some Wudang Mt Daoist lay disciple who was surnamed ‘Hong’ and had apparently been motivated by the stories of Song Taizu’s armies which would be split into East, west etc…then the boxing took attributes along those lines…[/quote]
Interesting. So were these sets absorbed from ZKY’s material and preserved here? Were they developed out of his techniques only? or are they unrelated all together?
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;1153086]Is there anyway I could get you to scan all the pages related to these sets and e-mail them to me?[/QUOTE]
Well, I have an electronic version with each page in an odd PDG format which uses the BooX Viewer program to display the pages as a book.
I don’t know if there’s a way to convert the files to PDF or something, but if you download that program I can send the individual page files.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;1153087]Also, what else is in the Shaolin Encyclopedia that is related to Zhao Kuang Yin?[/QUOTE]
I’ll have to have a deeper look, but as I remember there was Linglongquan, Shisan Mingqiang, and Liangjiegun (two-section stick).
That weapon is unique. It says Zhao’s Panlonggun (coiling dragon stick) was broken in half in combat. So he asked someone to attach the two equal length pieces with a few rings and make a new weapon. There is a whole set shown with pictures for it.
I imagine it would be kind of awkward though, not quit like a three-section stick.
[QUOTE=LFJ;1153120]Well, I have an electronic version with each page in an odd PDG format which uses the BooX Viewer program to display the pages as a book.
I don’t know if there’s a way to convert the files to PDF or something, but if you download that program I can send the individual page files.
I’ll have to have a deeper look, but as I remember there was Linglongquan, Shisan Mingqiang, and Liangjiegun (two-section stick).
That weapon is unique. It says Zhao’s Panlonggun (coiling dragon stick) was broken in half in combat. So he asked someone to attach the two equal length pieces with a few rings and make a new weapon. There is a whole set shown with pictures for it.
I imagine it would be kind of awkward though, not quit like a three-section stick.[/QUOTE]
I have no problem downloading the reader. Where can I find it?
If you would be so kind, send the files to royaldragonusa@yahoo.com.
Does the Shaolin Encyclopedia mention Lao Hong Quan or Yuan Houquan at all?
[QUOTE=LFJ;1153120]Well, I have an electronic version with each page in an odd PDG format which uses the BooX Viewer program to display the pages as a book.
I don’t know if there’s a way to convert the files to PDF or something, but if you download that program I can send the individual page files.
I’ll have to have a deeper look, but as I remember there was Linglongquan, Shisan Mingqiang, and Liangjiegun (two-section stick).
That weapon is unique. It says Zhao’s Panlonggun (coiling dragon stick) was broken in half in combat. So he asked someone to attach the two equal length pieces with a few rings and make a new weapon. There is a whole set shown with pictures for it.
I imagine it would be kind of awkward though, not quit like a three-section stick.[/QUOTE]
The story I always heard was that the lengths were unequal when he broke the end off of it.
This weapon (not the set though)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79yDn7kimVM
[QUOTE=LFJ;1152508]Yes, the encyclopedia shows both. The history bit tells the same story. They were both part of the material ZKY exchanged with Shaolin. But the encyclopedia is also the only reference I know for these.
From the introduction it appears the spear was a whole set, but Linglongquan was just loose techniques. Because it says, in the Linglongquan intro, he taught them the skills he was good at, particularly his Changquan and Linglongquan skills. But then it was Abbot Fuju who arranged the techniques into a 33 posture set named Shaolin Linglongquan.[/QUOTE]
Hi,
I’m interested in this so called Shaolin encyclopedia that is referenced . Can you please tell me more about it? Is it the same as the Shaolin books that were donated to US Congress by the abbot ?
Thanks!
@ ShaolinDiva
The ‘Shaolin Encyclopedia’ is our nickname for Shaolinsi Wushu Baike Quanshu () by Shi Deqian. See my article The Shaolin Scribe: Shi Deqian and the Shaolin Encyclopedia from our Shaolin Special 2007.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1153257]The ‘Shaolin Encyclopedia’ is our nickname for Shaolinsi Wushu Baike Quanshu () by Shi Deqian. See my article The Shaolin Scribe: Shi Deqian and the Shaolin Encyclopedia from our Shaolin Special 2007.[/QUOTE]
thank you so much Gene! I’m reading it now. I need to buy your book .
I’ll make it easy for you
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;1153149]The story I always heard was that the lengths were unequal when he broke the end off of it.
This weapon (not the set though)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79yDn7kimVM[/QUOTE]
That must have been a misunderstanding by certain people.
That weapon in Chinese is usually called a shaozigun (flail staff). The weapon made by Zhao Kuangyin is called liangjiegun (two-section staff). Here is a picture of the weapon from the Encyclopedia. It’s two equal halves, as if it had been broken right down the middle during an overhead block or something.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;1153148]I have no problem downloading the reader. Where can I find it?
If you would be so kind, send the files to royaldragonusa@yahoo.com.
Does the Shaolin Encyclopedia mention Lao Hong Quan or Yuan Houquan at all?[/QUOTE]
Nope, neither the 4 volume set nor the newer 2 volume set show either of these. Wish they did. Would love to see what they have to say about their history!
I’ll send the pages to you…
Edit: If you google search Boox Viewer there are several Chinese websites where you can download it, if you haven’t already.
In return for your kindness, I sent you what i have on Yuan Hou Quan and Lao Hong Quan. I don’t read Chinese, but I am sure it just showes how to work out the set.
There is also a two man set based on general Qi Jiguangs postures.
Just to add PanLongGun is a common staff form in the village shaolin styles along with MeiQi (sometimes Qimei) gun.
I don’t know if the form PanLongGun is a ZKY form or is simply refrencing the name. It is a name used in forms all over China.
[QUOTE=LFJ;1152508]Yes, the encyclopedia shows both. The history bit tells the same story. They were both part of the material ZKY exchanged with Shaolin. But the encyclopedia is also the only reference I know for these.
From the introduction it appears the spear was a whole set, but Linglongquan was just loose techniques. Because it says, in the Linglongquan intro, he taught them the skills he was good at, particularly his Changquan and Linglongquan skills. But then it was Abbot Fuju who arranged the techniques into a 33 posture set named Shaolin Linglongquan.[/QUOTE]
What does LingLongquan translate into? Am I correct in thinking it is Exquisite Dragon Boxing?
To comment more, if LinLongQuan was only taught as loose techniques, then it stands to reason that Lao Hong Quan was probably loose techniques too. The form was created by the monks then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BF0kSBN4Lg&feature=channel_video_title
I guess its a better presentation of the style 
Kind regards,
Xian
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;1153425]What does LingLongquan translate into? Am I correct in thinking it is Exquisite Dragon Boxing?
To comment more, if LinLongQuan was only taught as loose techniques, then it stands to reason that Lao Hong Quan was probably loose techniques too. The form was created by the monks then.[/QUOTE]
Not exactly. The characters have a different radical on the side, so it’s not ‘dragon’. [SIZE=“5”][/SIZE]
Here’s what they mean together: Linglong
The encyclopedia says it was Abbot Fuju who arranged Zhao’s Linglongquan into a set called Linglongquan. So… I assume that means Zhao’s “Linglongquan” was not the name of a set, but just a group of loose techniques.
Hey Team,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BF0kSBN4Lg
This is close to the GuanDongQUan of RuanCunPai that I mentioned above. NanYuan.
Very different to the Xiyuan version done by Wushu Guan Above.
[QUOTE=RenDaHai;1153525]Hey Team,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BF0kSBN4Lg
This is close to the GuanDongQUan of RuanCunPai that I mentioned above. NanYuan.
Very different to the Xiyuan version done by Wushu Guan Above.[/QUOTE]
Now THAT was interesting!!! Do you know anything about this set? I see some similarities with Da Hong Quan, and a couple other things that remind me of Lao Hong Quan (tripple punch). This is the closest thing I have seen to date, to a stylist fit with the rest of the ZKY stuff.