My main problem with style bashing is it’s pretty boring and only slightly (if ever) informative.
None of what I said applies to African Tiger. He, of course, should not be allowed to say anything. Ever. 
Cody, I agree but I was sort of under the impression that the physical threats read as empty and absurd to most clear minded people. This being a message board and all.
CSN, true but I think a lot of threads here are really only entertaining to the people contributing to them. I posted a link to one here, know what I mean? 
KUNG LEK , just some thoughts
Kung Lek
I’m assuming that there are alot of people here who take thier martial arts world and training very seriously.
I know that there are many people, who are of the opinion, that there are unscrupulous elements commercializing and giving martial arts a bad reputation. I know that it must Hurt some people very deeply, after working so hard to achieve what they have in whatever discipline/art respectfully, and then see some poser spring up, out of nowhere, with no experience no true knowledge or skill, and claim mastery in something they know nothing about.
For some, to just stand idly by , and let these bizarre manifestations downgrade and disrespect what they have worked honestly hard for with blood sweat and tears would seem as a great injustice to them and what thier conception of martial arts stands for.
I personally respect that all arts have thier weaknessess and thier strengths and it is up to the practitioners to decide what is best for them. However I am also not a fan of the bandwagon mentality I might not make a public crusaide to bash those that fake it but i certainly can understand why someone would want to do so.
Now on a side note, could someone please explain why having WUDE is like the greatest thing since sliced bread, it seems a bit elitist to me. Suppose I practice a savage and barbaric martial art intended for killing and destruction, and I am extremely sucessfull and masterful at it, and I have defeated numerous martial practitioners of all styles, Does this make me less of a martial artist because I am a savage brute ?
What about the dark arts , such as ninjitsu which tactics involved misinformation and deception, are these not martial artists?
Where does Wude stand in the grand scheme of things and why is it imperative to some that martial artists should possess these characteristics.
just a question.
Eulerfan -
The Got Qi Girl and Neitzche threads have the great virtue of siphoning off a lot of the silly, flirty, offtopic banter from the more ontopic threads.
Although not this one.
I don’t worry too much about the bashers - my school has been bashed by name here, and by implication many times (we don’t do a lot of hard sparring.) But I’m learning and having fun and getting in better health, and that’s enough for me.
I’m not such a saint offline, though.
Ahh, yes. Any MB I join needs a few idiot containment units.
wu de?
So If I can kick your ass and you have better wu de. that makes you the better martial artist? ok, you keep it.
Martial codes are for those that are for those that can’t see the big picture.
“Ill fight for truth and justice and gooness and light” “Were the League of Justice!” To the Hall of Justice, superman! We must protect the women folk!
yep just like nature.:rolleyes:
No, nature will kill you, the strong overtake the weak and also nourish the weak. Nature is Shiva, creator and destroyer. And a system that is supposed to be based on taoism is supposed to adhere to society and some confucion code?
Tell a Tiger to adhere to Wu De.
Style bashing? Who cares, it eventually comes down to fists.
eulerfan,
Certainly, I would agree that not all threats to kick ass and such are to be taken seriously as the first step towards manifestation.
Yet, the possibility exists.
I think that a person who is operating along these lines on a frequent basis, with feeling, is doing himself harm in the long run. Just as it is not good to bottle things up inside, it’s not good to harbor chronic aggression, to the point of verbal threats (or even without speaking them). If that is the case, especially towards people who have done you no harm, I would be concerned. An angry man is in less control of himself. In ma training, there might come a point, even at the beginner stage, when the distance between intent and action shrinks to pretty much nothing. You are what you think and feel, and your intent can be tempered or tainted. One is responsible for what issues from this.
Aside from that, I don’t see justification for verbal abuse, not even for returning same. It doesn’t mean one can’t become ****ed and express it. There is a difference between that and abuse, which I would not so much define in terms of some coarse language, but in pleasure taken in upsetting or hurting another person. That doesn’t mean one is never to upset anyone, but to get off on it is a no no in my book. That is abuse. I see no place for that on a message board, in 3D, anywhere. And, it amounts to an amazing waste of energy for everyone concerned, with nothing to be gained.
I think you are travelling with a lighter heart than I am, and I’ve found this exchange refreshing and helpful.
Cody
eulerfan ,off the subject
“I mean, I tutor physics and I’m very, very good at it. When I explain something, I never ask, “Do you understand?” I ask, “Do you agree?” I get them to argue with me. I want them to say, “No, you are wrong because there’s no way you can know that…” That way they can really wrap their brains around these ideas.”
I like that,I struggle with basic math(on your level) but at the same time I am fascinated and seem to have an understanding(or disagreement)from Kaluza’s argument,Riemann’s metric tensor,Yang-Mills,Superstring theory,the list goes on and on.
“String theory is twenty-first century physics that fell accidentally into the twentieth century”
Edward Witten
In your studies of physics and your pratice in the CMA how do you
feel modern physics(as we understand or agree/disagree) pertain to TCMA such as Daoist and Buddist ideas coincide?
Futhermore unfortunately,the bulk of humanity is largely uncaring or unaware of the potentail disaters facing us.
Its as if society as a whole may have a “Peter Pan” complex,"
never wanting to grow up and face the consequences of its own
irresponsibility.
Humanity as a whole MUST be able to break through the Uranium barrier or we are all doomed to perish.
This thread started out as systems bashing others as we ponder the bigger picture.
My thanks go out to my Uncle that bought me one of Dr. Michio Kaku’s books and my Stepdad that planted the seed many years ago.
eulerfan: a question,do you know of any forums(your favoites)
that covers the spectrum of physics?
What do you think about Dr. Michio Kaku?
Re: wu de?
Originally posted by Stacey
[B]So If I can kick your ass and you have better wu de. that makes you the better martial artist? ok, you keep it.
Martial codes are for those that are for those that can’t see the big picture.
“Ill fight for truth and justice and gooness and light” “Were the League of Justice!” To the Hall of Justice, superman! We must protect the women folk!
yep just like nature.:rolleyes:
No, nature will kill you, the strong overtake the weak and also nourish the weak. Nature is Shiva, creator and destroyer. And a system that is supposed to be based on taoism is supposed to adhere to society and some confucion code?
Tell a Tiger to adhere to Wu De.
Style bashing? Who cares, it eventually comes down to fists. [/B]
Is it just me or are Stacey’s posts progressively making less and less sense?
Every style was a new style at sometime.
To look at one particular web site and pass judgement on that style is a way (I guess) of making that person feel good about there style.
example:
This martial art called ninjitsu really sucks. Just look at there site.
www.blackninja.com
I think what Kung Lek ment was how alot of people jump the gun without seeing the whole picture.
counterpoint:
Some girl at the pub I hang out at is bashing my style because she has just started taking TAI BO and nothing else is better.
Now how do I go about telling her Tai Bo Sucks?
Years ago my friend was telling me about this new style from Brizil. I said oh it’s just a bunch of judo crap and then Royce showed everyone in U.F.C.
Ask my friend what style he teaches and he can’t say one particular style. But he is a very good martial artist, and who am I to say it isn’t when I never tried it.
www.leadingedgekarate.com
Did you ever hear the phrase “constant change is here to stay”
I think in the future you will see more of a mix under a new name.
some of these styles will suck
some of these styles might be pretty good
Check it out a little more before you go blasting your big mouth off about how much it sucks.
If you do not subscribe to the concept of “wu de” or “martial virtue” and all you do is fight, then you can never attain Kung Fu.
Wu de is intrinsically and extrinsically tied to the achieving of Kung Fu in one’s life.
You can practice martial moves, but it does not become “art” untile it is a complete and whole package.
You want to just fight? Then you can keep that. It is not art, it does not have intellectual stemming, it is nothing but fighting and anyone in the whole wide world can fight. so good some bad, some mediochre.
Taking responsibility for your own actions, trying to best know yourself before looking at the faults of others is what makes a person better. Not dominance through physically overpowering them.
If you think that having dominance is power, then you must try to never age due to the fact that the perpetuation of that ideal will ultimately lead to someone crushing you as you are unable to maintain dominance.
If the structure is based on self study, self examination first and foremost, then outward sharing (learning externally), then melding all into one, then it is possible to have harmony.
Martial virtue, business virtue, etc. THese all seem to be falling to the side of the road and look at the state we are in.
Think globally, act locally. There is absolutely nothing to be lost by not being judgmental and reactionary.
as for the emark about a Tiger not having wu de, well, we are not tigers, we are humans.
peace
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i feel cheated. i went to that link and read 3 pages and didnt see a single thing about beating women.
and wtf?? 70 fu cking pages?? thats got to be the biggest thread i have seen.
haha … guohuen said that kung lek is a dirty hippy.
It was innuendo about spanking women. You have to read between the lines a bit. If you’re really hard up, I could tell you the story about the time a guy beat me up. Perhaps you could get some enjoyment from sh!t fu(k (unt of an experience.
Tell me what you’re looking for, GDA. We aim to please!
tnwingtsun
I tutor trig-based physics 1 and 2. I’m in mathematics so I haven’t done a whole lot of physics and a very pitiful amount of quantum mechanics.
I may even be wrong about this. Does string theory fall under the rubric of quantum mechanics or cosmology or is it somewhere in between as an attempt at a the grand unified theory?
I am not even familiar with Dr. Kaku. Who is he/she?
OOOOOOOOOOOk…
Not the weirdest post of all, but certainly ranking up there in the top 30.
Eulerfan - a great big hearty 
to you. Give me back my 2 cents…
What on earth were we talking about anyway? I’m kung-foozed..
Cody,
I totally agree with you. There is no call for cruelty for cruelty’s sake and there is a pitful amount of that going on here. I won’t name names but I think the perpetrators are known and obvious. (Confidential to everybody: if you think I might be talking about you but you aren’t sure, then I’m not talking about you. There’s little to no grey area with the people I’m talking about.) Even so, people can’t seem to just refuse to give them what they want. If you go over to wen’s site, you’ll see some serious KFO wound licking.
It’s pretty messed up but I have to side with the mods about not banning such people. I’d always argue for erring on the side of free speech. If you ban the @ssholes, you make everybody else that much more worried about not saying something wrong and I would hate that more than having these people around.
Know what I mean?
Why should I care about wu de? For one, I do not practice Kung Fu. No-one in my lineage has ever been troubled by this fact. The legends of my art are in no way paragons of virtue. The shoe has not fallen. What makes your art so different in this regard?
Where better to stab someone than in the back? If you honorably face every challenge in fairness, eventually you will fall before a challenger who is stronger or faster than you. Now see, doesn’t that make just as much sense as your rant about ‘right action’ and ethics?
let me get the vasaline.