I know I am going to cop grief and “S#@t” for this but here goes:
Is there such a thing as “Wude” here?
Gene?
No…
Hmmmm. It would seem so.
But why is that?
You may have it before you come to this forum. The longer that you stay, the less your will have any left. The reason is simple. You may not want to hurt a tiger but the tiger does want to eat you alive. In order for you to survive, you have to be just like that tiger. Soon, you will no longer be a human being but an animal, and you may not even notice your own changing. There is a contagious diseases spread badly in this forum. 
A: Will someone be kind enough to … Thanks in advance.
B: Go to fuk yourself …
C: You are a clueless idiot …
D: You must be retarded …
A: You SOB, BMF, I fuk you 8 generation ancestor, @#$%, &^$*. If you dare to come to … I’ll beat the sh!t out of you guys. :mad: :mad: :mad:
A nice person can turn into an as*hole just in few online discussions. 
True, true. But only if you are not personally vigilant and stop looking within.
YouKnowWho, Why are you still here if this is the case and truth of this forum and how can this forum truly be representative of the Chinese Martial Arts if Wude is absent, neglected or not evident at all?
Wude not here man
That’s so sad. Why not?
We de is wu jia to most here.
Why is that? Just trying to get a handle on how this forum operates. What can we do to apply Wude here?
Gene Ching,
Would you like to see a movement more towards Wude here?
People love the idea that wu de means either 1. A self righteous right to judge other people over not having wu de - quite a circular argument. Or 2. Not criticising. Actually, the primarily important aspects of wu de refer to yourself - your own honesty, commitment, and belief in yourself over when it’s better to remain quiet, and when it’s important to speak out.
I notice the original intent of this thread seems to be ‘Hey wu de means not criticising anyone’ - it doesn’t mean that at all; quite the opposite: it means knowing when to criticise.
Wude is kind of a modern fiction.
Wude as it existed long ago has less to do with being a good guy and more to do with doing your job on the battlefield: being a vicious killer with no remorse. We don’t live in those times, and I hope nobody on this forum is trying to develop that kind of wude.
Wude as you see being promulgated by many TCMA masters today was a creation of gongfu masters just over a century ago in an attempt to add legitimacy to their place in society. You can see the same sort of stuff going on in Japan during the Edo period. The samurai class, rising to power, were no longer warriors and had to struggle to adapt to their new roles as bureaucrats. Thus, you can read in books all sorts of nonsense about the Samurai code. The Hagakure is a fun read, with many “laugh out loud” moments.
A lot of what we understand in the West as wude most likely stems from Jigoro Kano’s development of Judo and his impact on Japanese martial arts. Chinese martial arts never really had a single innovator like Kano. Most traditional Chinese martial artists of old were never interested in promoting their skills as a physical education, or modernizing, adapting, and improving their skills. Likewise, sharing your art to improve the human condition or honestly criticizing yourself or others was not and is not at the heart of Chinese martial arts.
Minghequan, what is YOUR working definition of wude?
those who use it use it.
No one is obligated to use it because they are here and no one is obligated to use it with
anyone who refuses to reciprocate.
wude is applied to warfare
if you are a sheep, you are a sheep.
if you are a wolf, you are a wolf
guess what they both flock or gather together as a group
such as sheep herd
and wolf pack
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there is wu de among sheep herds
there is wu de among wolf pack
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guess what there is no wude between the sheep and wolf
one is prey; the other is predator
one is food; the other is eater
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one may ask and wonder
where is the wu de for sheep and wolf
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none.
[QUOTE=SPJ;1108974]if you are a sheep, you are a sheep.
if you are a wolf, you are a wolf
guess what they both flock or gather together as a group
such as sheep herd
and wolf pack
–
there is wu de among sheep herds
there is wu de among wolf pack
–
guess what there is no wude between the sheep and wolf
one is prey; the other is predator
one is food; the other is eater
–
one may ask and wonder
where is the wu de for sheep and wolf
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none.
—[/QUOTE]
However, wolf and sheep both are incapable of abstract thought and exist with primordial awareness only.
wude is for humans only. we are all humans.
some may act like wolves and others may act like sheep, but they are all human and they all have potential to behave like one o the other and STILL possess wude towards each other.
post away what you like to share
stop wasting time to preach to wolf how not to eat a sheep.
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wolf is only interested in how to kill and how to eat
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actually there is wu de sort of
kill only what you eat
b/c kill too many no food tommorrow
there is eco balance
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again wu de is among something similar or equal power
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there is a different dependent balance if one is weak, the other is strong.
1 so where is wu de?
when you are strong and in dealing with the weak
2 when you are weak; may you ask for wu de from the strong?
probably not
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the subject of wude in america has the taint of japanese budo.
japanese separate combat and spiritual health aspects into bujutsu and budo. so when people hear about martial morality they think its some sort of “spiritual path”.
chinese martial art do not separate personal spiritual journey and war. war is the path to enlightenment.
wu de is a set of beliefs and codes that try to justify war. martial morality = morality in killing
I personally more like characters development or cultivation
when you practice your MA
there are so certain things you would uphold or follow
- you do not fight when some one is hurt or drunk
spirit of fairness
- you help the weak, the sick and the needed
spirit of benevolence
- you fight or help when your kung fu brothers/classmates in trouble or in need
spirit of compatriots
- you stand by the weaker but in the right
spirit of justice
on and on
wu de is not about preaching to stranger and asking them to behave
wu de is about what you would do or wound not do when you is you
and you practicing the principles along with your MA
unless of course
you are the father or the teacher
and you ask your kids and students to behave
wu de is a series of beliefs and practices that dehumanize the enemy.
just like most other aspects of chinese martial arts, wu de does not fit into modern society. its alien and terrifying and unknowable to the white man.