Mostly but then you’d have the Japanese & Okinawan groups on your butt. The American contingent would probably dig the hell out of it though.
Mind you… I’m ex-SD as well & from a group that some people wished would go away so ours was decidedly different than most… [/B]
Haha, fair enough. So you’re saying someone will always find an issue. This is why I’m asking. If you guys have problems with actual content, I’d be willing to discuss. I’m not going into the same tired old arguments about lineage, because I don’t care and I don’t see why other people care so much about it. If the only issues that you’re going to bring up are “it’s kempo, not kung fu” or “blah blah blah Sin The is a liar” then we don’t really have anything to talk about, do we?
“Question: when you guys say you think shaolin-do is “questionable”, are you speaking of things such as lineage, etc or acutal content?”
All of the above.
"For instance ,suppose we took all our katas, renamed them, went back to being called “Sin The Karate”, and never spoke the words shaolin or kung fu ever again, would it still be “questionable”? "
Id call that honest. It doesnt have to be kung fu to be a good martial art, and SD doesnt really hold true to many if any kung fu theories… And the Yang Taiji has nothing to do with Yang Taiji… Doesnt mean you cant learn something valuable if trained correctly, but its also not really kung fu, but once again who cares? My opinions on the system are already known and dont need to be rehashed. Im simply responding to the question posted by lxtruong.
Originally posted by lxtruong Haha, fair enough. So you’re saying someone will always find an issue. This is why I’m asking. If you guys have problems with actual content, I’d be willing to discuss. I’m not going into the same tired old arguments about lineage, because I don’t care and I don’t see why other people care so much about it. If the only issues that you’re going to bring up are “it’s kempo, not kung fu” or “blah blah blah Sin The is a liar” then we don’t really have anything to talk about, do we?
Basically yes. Because of the history & background of all involved, the claims & allegations there will always be a lack of credibility with the majority of people in the CMA community.
Certain individuals may be exempt from this because of their individual actions that tend to cause the political machine within SD to try everything possibly to exclude & evict from it. Those individuals have a tendancy to look around, see what else is out there & attempt damage control to a degree for the good of their own school. Ultimately those attempts, if enough are tried will actually tend to mend & heal some of the damge done. However, it normally only takes one person in a position of enough public prominence to shoot it down.
Just my opinion… not that it matters a hill of beans.
www.combatshuaichiao.com or i beleive Wang sifu’s website is (unfortunately) Johnswang.com. If you want to learn how to defend yourself, that is a good place to do it. But it is not for the feint of heart. Paul Gerald reminds me of me in my younger days. Very focused on the hard stuff…
I pretty much agree with Meat Shakes comments. I’m looking forward to meeting Judge Pen some day, as it will probably answer some of my questions insofar as what SD is. But most of the SD I’ve seen first hand, wasn’t CMA and it wasn’t very good for fighting. What it is good for, I don’t know. Keep in mind that I’m sure somone in that group should be able to fight… just how efficient of a teaching method is it?
One rule of thumb… don’t beleive anyone who claims many systems that feature differing body mechanics. You can’t do them all very well. Find schools that focus on a few things and do them well, then cross-train with other schools that do the things your school does not do well. No school does everything well. When picking a school, know why you are training. What is your goal? Then evaluate the school based upon these objectives.
MS2, I’d say you need to meet my teachers to get a good evaluation of what SD is and isn’t. I just talk a good game on the computer.
I’ve met a few that post here and I’m confident to think that they consider me a student of kung fu (and not necessarily a good student), BUT that’s a far cry from saying that SD is kung fu. I’m not shy on my opinions that SD is and is not “kung fu.” I think what we are taught came from China. I think it has evolved into something different than its origins. I think that the principles are there, but I don’t think that they are always taught properly. This doesn’t mean it can’t be taught properly. It doesn’t mean it is never taught properly.
As far as those that have experience in SD and other arts, I respect their opinions. Some more than others, but that comes from my familiarity with them and my knoweldge of their SD experience.
Originally posted by sean_stonehart
[B]Basically yes. Because of the history & background of all involved, the claims & allegations there will always be a lack of credibility with the majority of people in the CMA community.
Certain individuals may be exempt from this because of their individual actions that tend to cause the political machine within SD to try everything possibly to exclude & evict from it. Those individuals have a tendancy to look around, see what else is out there & attempt damage control to a degree for the good of their own school. Ultimately those attempts, if enough are tried will actually tend to mend & heal some of the damge done. However, it normally only takes one person in a position of enough public prominence to shoot it down.
Just my opinion… not that it matters a hill of beans. [/B]
I can’t say that SD is the incarnate of evil…It does produce some good fighters and knowledgeable players. The only real gripe with people here is it claims to be something it is quite obviously not.
Put it this way. You get people like JP who are intellegent and open minded to martial arts in general. Then you get your stereotypical SDer who has his blinders on because he was told “not to show anyone anything from the ciriculum, and Sin The is the l33t Kung Fu Ma5t3r”
It all returns to this:
I depends on who is teaching you, how much effort you put into your training, and how you train.
My experience with SD is bad, but not because of the MA, but because of my teacher (who in essence is one hell of a nice guy, but severely misinformed)
As I said again, go to the kwoon, check it out, and make a decision based on your opinion. Basically all you’ll get here is politics.
Now, on to Shuai Chiao. SC is not for everyone. If you can handle getting spiked into the ground 30-50 time every class in exchange for some kick ass training on how to fight. Then this is the place for you. You WILL get hurt. You WILL hurt others, but if you stick with it and follow your instructors teaching closely (P.S. Master Wang is the Shiznit!) you shouldn’t have more than some sore ribs and a bruised ego from getting your ass handed to you by someone twice your senior.
I live just outside Columbus, in Worthington… though I think we’re technically still considered Columbus. So pretty close… unless you’re like me and without wheels… it’s kind of a far walk You ever make it up here?
Yeah, I do. The woman I’m dating has family in Columbus. Next time I’m up we should touch base although it will probably be in the “crutches” stage of my recovery so that’s no fun.
Originally posted by CaptinPickAxe The only real gripe with people here is it claims to be something it is quite obviously not.
Well then, we’re all good. Like I said before, I’m not interested in arguing linege or whatnot. I’ll choose to believe Grandmaster Sin, you can choose not to.
Originally posted by CaptinPickAxe Put it this way. You get people like JP who are intellegent and open minded to martial arts in general. Then you get your stereotypical SDer who has his blinders on because he was told “not to show anyone anything from the ciriculum, and Sin The is the l33t Kung Fu Ma5t3r”
I have to say that I’m a proponent of the ‘dont’ show anyone anything from the cirriculum’ school. Although I guess it depends on your definition of the word “show”. I don’t see any problem with demonstrating, but teaching is of course a different issue. When you teach someone else katas, you’re essentially stealing a potential student away from your teacher. Plus, you’re giving away material that really isn’t yours to give.
And Grandmaster Sin is the 133t |<||||g f|| m4s73r. j/k
Originally posted by CaptinPickAxe
[B]It all returns to this:
I depends on who is teaching you, how much effort you put into your training, and how you train.
My experience with SD is bad, but not because of the MA, but because of my teacher (who in essence is one hell of a nice guy, but severely misinformed)
As I said again, go to the kwoon, check it out, and make a decision based on your opinion. Basically all you’ll get here is politics.
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Yes yes and yes, I totally agree. All we’re doing on this message board is blowing smoke out of our ass anyway.
Well then, we’re all good. Like I said before, I’m not interested in arguing linege or whatnot. I’ll choose to believe Grandmaster Sin, you can choose not to.
Reply: Well, that is fine and good. Unfortunately you can choose to belleive the moon is made of cheese too, but that does not make it so. When there is an overwhelming preponderance of evidence against something, a certain amount of doubt may be in order.
Sd Hsing- i is what i was most interested in at the school at the time,that and thier bagua,until i learned that both of those forms taught at SD were taken from another source and modified to look unique to them(this is what i was told from a very credible source)
hey man even if we dont agree politically we can still agree on this subject. i have shed all of those forms now. i dont even do them anymore,i still go through some of the hsing i routines that i learned there,but i have had to modify those to actually correct them…my modifications have come form sun lu tangs style and through what i remember of my previous teacher before SD.
JP - s if I accept TWS word on this, I’m hypocrite for the Rather thing? Ah, I’d rather not..
But TWS did put up, and act like a man, so politics aside, and internet aurguments aside, he’s a good guy in my book. That’s the great thing about a semi-functioning democracy, we can disagree, but still have beers.
It is just overwhelming the amount of concensus on what SD is not. But what is it?
Originally posted by MonkeySlap Too
[B]Well then, we’re all good. Like I said before, I’m not interested in arguing linege or whatnot. I’ll choose to believe Grandmaster Sin, you can choose not to.
Reply: Well, that is fine and good. Unfortunately you can choose to belleive the moon is made of cheese too, but that does not make it so. When there is an overwhelming preponderance of evidence against something, a certain amount of doubt may be in order. [/B]
Well, because honestly I don’t really care all that much. I know that Grandmaster Sin is a good guy, so I believe that what he tells us is the truth. I also believe that even if it were not the truth, there was probably a honest mistake somewhere along the way (i.e. I don’t think he’s the type to decieve us). None of this changes the fact that I go into class and I learn my katas and I punch and kick and I enjoy it the entire time. I’m certainly not going to lose any sleep over it.
MS2, I don’t fault TWS for putting his money where his mouth is. I really wasn’t being too hard on him with his last comment either. What he said was tantamount to me saying I’ve checked my black tiger forms with credible sources, and they say it’s the same. (I haven’t done this btw). It may or may not be true, but we won’t know as long as the source is anonymous. It’s the curse of the internet.
MK, GM Sin The didn’t melt a baby. His first teacher burned a baby after training in sand burn in Indonesia. If your going to make fun, then make fun of the proper people!
I will echo something that Lxtroung said: If these myths were propagated down to us through GM The, then I believe that they were taught to him as the truth by his teachers. He is a very jovial and loquacious man, but I don’t think he is the author of all the fishy stuff in the history of SD.
You ever make it up here?