What do you guys think about a striker of lenox lewis potential would go against a grappler of royce gracies potential?
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
A striker like Lennox Lewis can knock anybody out with a single punch.The grappler would have to dive for the security of the ground at the very first second of the match!..And pray that “lennox” as not learned on the side how to punch on the ground! 
…He must be very strong! :eek:
“A striker like Lennox Lewis can knock anybody out with a single punch.”
He must either be an unpopular boxer (since all his matches end in seconds) or incapable of hitting someone successfully.
Unless that “single punch” is the 50th one.
“The grappler would have to dive for the security of the ground at the very first second of the match!..”
Or remain upright and grappling. But Gracie isn’t a “grapple”. He is a fighter with a heavy emphasis on grappling. To get a “grapper” you would have to look at a sport that does not allow striking (like wrestling).
“And pray that “lennox” as not learned on the side how to punch on the ground! …He must be very strong!”
Must have missed where that required special training.
OUch Jerry just killed your post :eek:
Well who would you guys bet on if were between those actual people?
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
A post is never dead for those who can read! 
He said “can”. To me, that implies that for any given person, it’s possible that Lennox Lewis could knock them out with one punch. I’d be interested to see the freak who could take a punch from Lewis with no chance of being knocked out.
Zeesh I have seen holyfield take numorous punches from him…
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
Yeah, Joe, but to deny Old Jong’s post you have to say that it was impossible that any of those punches would knock him out. Old Jong never said that whenever Lewis punches someone he knocks them out. I still don’t believe there’s anyone whose head is constructed such that they could not be knocked out by a punch from Lewis.
Guys… my MOM could knock anybody out in one punch.
Given we accept the possibility, we can then argue the probability. All I’m saying is it’s silly to deny the possibility.
Anyone can throw a punch that could potentially knock someone out. Lucky punches happen all the time in amateur fights.
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Of course, since anyone can knock out anyone else with one punch (maybe even the first one), that does negate “The grappler would have to dive for the security of the ground at the very first second of the match”. Since said grappler can knock out anyone with one punch.
Back to the subject…
If a man that had grappling skills equally as good as the other man was at his strinking skill…how would the fight end up…
it is a shitty question because there is not detail but you could have an answer for it.
You couldnt say either would win but more as in who it would be more dificult for…
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
I’m going to side with the grappler. Since a pure striker cannot avoid a takedown, he has a second or two to win the fight, then the grappler has all the time in the world. All the grappler has to do is survive the second or two.
Of course, in MA, there should not be such a thing as a pure striker or grappler.
As to your more recen question Martial Joe, it would be a draw because they would stay out of each other’s reang or avoid the other’s techniques. The winner would from whoever made tactical errors or failed successful execution of technique(s).
One might wonder if that is a concensus that, “…a pure striker cannot avoid a takedown..?”
Also, I find that to be unreasonable to think that a tackle take-down is going to work thoroughly well on me, if I was just to strike.
Very some such, perhaps might have been, likely say some, some not.
Jerry~have you ever been taken down if you have sparred or fought a grappler?
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
Since I am a martial artist, and therefore a grappler (as well as a striker). Yes, I have gone to the floor by my opponent’s will.
I even have been taken down by a pure grappler (wrestler) (I was untrained at the time, but a good wrestler would still have a decent shot).
I really want to avoid being on the ground (my strategies include assumptions like multiple opponents), but it does happen.
Sounds to me like some of the people posting here have never fought a good boxer. He might not take you with one punch, but he WILL get you with a good combo. And once that combo starts…
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So your logic is that good boxers defeat all opponents in under 3 seconds with a good combo? That is the requirement for someone who cannot avoid the takedown to win. That or he needs to win on the ground.
I was just reading my post again. I can’t find anything that says a boxer will take all opponents out. I couldn’t find anything relating to time frames either. My logic was that people who talk about boxing in terms of one punch don’t know much about boxing. Martial sports are funny in that way. People watch a 12 round boxing match or a 15 minute BJJ tourney and assume they could hang a good 8 rounds with a boxer or a good 5 minutes on the mat. Just my experience.
Most actions of men can be explained by observing a pack of dogs. Not wild dogs, just neighborhood dogs who all scurry under the fence on the same night and set off together to reclaim a glimmer of the glory their species possessed before domestication.