Cr*p article.
Our force in VT is similar to fall away punch with body weight driven by leg muscles/quadriceps. Now add this same concept with hip rotation to face a moving target AND hit it and you are in my world…but not for long
http://youtu.be/cqieQiJD608 fall away is driven by our rear heel into the ground for equal and opposite force back through , wait for it, structure …
Another clip of Danijel a Croation student who posted a simple bag work out…yes a PB guy. I do routines similar to this daily in the gym.
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150431433184129
Notice angling turning to hit, fac sao, bong before striking…body weight moving into hits…AND MOST IMPORTANT NO CHAIN PUNCH EGG BEATER CR*P, an common error committed by 1000’s , I blame Leung Ting
WSL PB VT strikes a bag like this, I cant vouch for other lineages.
If one can use his WC chain punches like Vitor Belfort did at 5.05 (39 second in the fight) in the following clip, he should have no problem to handle any fighters from any styles.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1212107]Cr*p article.
Our force in VT is similar to fall away punch with body weight driven by leg muscles/quadriceps. Now add this same concept with hip rotation to face a moving target AND hit it and you are in my world…but not for long
http://youtu.be/cqieQiJD608 fall away is driven by our rear heel into the ground for equal and opposite force back through , wait for it, structure …[/QUOTE]
The jab is not a power punch, at least when compared to the more rotational punches such as the cross and hook. The power generation of the “fall away” will never be able to match the power generation of full body rotation.
Another clip of Danijel a Croation student who posted a simple bag work out…yes a PB guy. I do routines similar to this daily in the gym.
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150431433184129
Notice angling turning to hit, fac sao, bong before striking…body weight moving into hits…AND MOST IMPORTANT NO CHAIN PUNCH EGG BEATER CR*P, an common error committed by 1000’s , I blame Leung Ting
That would be a good example of full body rotation. Very dissimilar to what is normally displayed as wing chun.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1212108]If one can use his WC chain punches like Vitor Belfort did at 39 second in the following clip, he should have no problem to handle any fighters from any styles.
LaRoux;1212110]The jab is not a power punch, at least when compared to the more rotational punches such as the cross and hook. The power generation of the “fall away” will never be able to match the power generation of full body rotation.
Of course…but take one or two fast, in the teeth, nose, throat…not fun, and leads to heavier strikes if required.
That would be a good example of full body rotation. Very dissimilar to what is normally displayed as wing chun.
We do this always because we ‘cut the way’ iow, across the face to turn an opponent as we strike them. Lot of power…most VT I have seen don’t know this way. The majority do a very basic chain step ??? We consider stepping into the ‘pocket’ an error.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1212111]Similar concepts but his elbows are giving away the fact he does not do VT.[/QUOTE]
Different “flavor” but the same “principle”.
When I was 11, my brother in law forced me to train “1 step 3 punches (2 steps 6 punches, 3 steps 9 punches, …)” for 3 years. In those 3 years, I had no idea what style that I was training.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1212108]If one can use his WC chain punches like Vitor Belfort did at 5.05 (39 second in the fight) in the following clip, he should have no problem to handle any fighters from any styles.
I would agree. That was a great example of someone utilizing the speed that is available to overwhelm an opponent when one does not use the full body rotation. Of course, it also helped that Vitor had humungous strength as a base behind it.
Unfortunately, that seemed to be a one-off occurrence, as it never happened after that one time.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1212116]BTW, what elbow positioning would that be?[/QUOTE]
We use low centered, elbow angles to give power of the body behind the punch and defensive arm angles developed from SLT. Like a boxer uses elbows tucked in to protect his body, we use them as we strike out of counters, angling…raised elbows wont allow this simultaneous strike/defense idea to work.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1212117];)…just charging forwards with punches isn’t VT, but it seems the uniformed assume so.[/QUOTE]
Vitor landed his first two punches without moving forward. After the second punch, Silva was stunned and falling and moving backwards. Belfort followed, landing additional punches until Silva went down.
What would have been the VT method to follow up once two punches had been landed and the opponent was hurt and falling and moving backwards?
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1212118]We use low centered, elbow angles to give power of the body behind the punch and defensive arm angles developed from SLT. Like a boxer uses elbows tucked in to protect his body, we use them as we strike out of counters, angling…raised elbows wont allow this simultaneous strike/defense idea to work.[/QUOTE]
I guess the guy you gave in the example of the VT guy hitting the bag wasn’t a VT guy either, considering the fact that there were several instances in which he raised his elbows when delivering punches. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1212120]Vitor landed his first two punches without moving forward. After the second punch, Silva was stunned and falling and moving backwards. Belfort followed, landing additional punches until Silva went down.
What would have been the VT method to follow up once two punches had been landed and the opponent was hurt and falling and moving backwards?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1212123]I guess the guy you gave in the example of the VT guy hitting the bag wasn’t a VT guy either, considering the fact that there were several instances in which he raised his elbows when delivering punches. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
What ! oh dear lets send him a message and cast shame on him :rolleyes: Of course elbows have to raise to punch, its where they all start from that we concentrate on. And nobody’s perfect.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1212126]So, instead of capitalizing by continuing forward with the pressure, the PB VT response would have been to attempt a couple of kicks to the nutz?
To each his own, I guess.
Interesting also that I’ve never seen any of the PB clips where they are doing training with kicks to the groin.[/QUOTE]
I am on a forum not in a gym explaining a host of ways to end a person…it depends on your goals, win a decision in a match, stop a guy in a bar fight…you cant expect one answer, can you ?
We make kicks to body, groin, hips, legs, knees, shins, stomps to feet, sweeps, etc…we also kick stomp heads, necks, joints, groins of guys on floor.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1212128]I am on a forum not in a gym explaining a host of ways to end a person…it depends on your goals, win a decision in a match, stop a guy in a bar fight…you cant expect one answer, can you ?
We make kicks to body, groin, hips, legs, knees, shins, stomps to feet, sweeps, etc…we also kick stomp heads, necks, joints, of guys on floor.[/QUOTE]
According to you, what Belfort did in capitalizing on the situation by moving forward with pressure and delivering more blows was not the VT way. I was trying to clarify what this VT way would be if this was not it.
Based on your latest answer it seems as if the VT way would have been to do anything except to continue to move forward with pressure and deliver more strikes until he was down.
Like I said, seems kind of inefficient to me, but to each his own, I guess.
