[QUOTE=KPM;1263189]Like the Dog Brothers, I don’t think Tony Blauer has ever been accused of “unrealistic training.” Here is one of his guys showing what we have been talking about. Surprise attack, move to the side, gain control of the attacker’s arm, and get him off-balance, and then RUN!
Does this look like a sparring scenario to anyone? And yet this was a training session. A realistic training session. A functional training session. Competitive sparring is not the only game in town!!![/QUOTE]
Ok let me try to be a bit more clear. The sparring clip I put up was an example let me repeat example of the principle of realistic or functional training. I am not saying this is how you should or should not fight with a knife. I am only saying this is how you need to train to develop realistic skills. That you need to face someone who is acting unscripted and is really fighting you back to learn and get better at using your tools against someone who acts unpredictably and fights you back. That way you will see what really works for you and what really doesn’t.
We keep comparing apples with oranges. Your clip is not about knife fighting but defending yourself unarmed against a knife. It is also a demo not training for one thing. So again you do not offer realistic training. With that said I think his approach of using a 2 on 1 or Russian tie against the weapon arm is pretty standard stuff. If you want to see how to functionally train the 2 on 1 you can look at clips of wrestlers doing that.
Let me leave you with one thing to think about. Yes this approach works when your opponent gives you his arm but what when he doesn’t? What if your guy was facing a trained knife guy that had developed the ability to keep his distance, lunge in and out with extremely fast and powerful stabs and so forth? What about when what he is doing prevents you from getting a 2 on 1?
[QUOTE=KPM;1263170]Wrong again! Man, your credibility is going downhill fast! Stabs do not stop a fight or even slow it down. Even if you hit a major artery it typically takes nearly a minute for someone to bleed out enough to lose consciousness. That is plenty of time to do a lot of lethal damage before they go down! This is why the common approach from guys like Mike Janich has been on “biomechanical cutting.” This is making major cuts to muscles or tendons to disable the hand holding the knife because that is the only way to stop an attacker in his tracks. A stab certainly won’t do it, even one delivered to the carotid artery! Stabbing someone in the face won’t do anything except **** them off! You really need to take a step back and realize you don’t know what you’re talking about![/QUOTE]
I would not want to be stabbed or slashed. I think both can let me repeat can be deadly or not. My nuisance was referring to light cuts or what you see as defensive wounds on people who are attacked with knives. This happens all the time. I’ve seen victims with dozens of defensive cuts on their arms and hands yet they were considered non life threatening. I have doubts about trying to hit tendons or muscles in the hand holding the knife. I think that requires to much accuracy and would be very low percentage.
I’ve only seen a few knife homicides and they all involved stabbings. I’ve also seen some stabbings that did not result in death.
We keep comparing apples with oranges. Your clip is not about knife fighting but defending yourself unarmed against a knife. It is also a demo not training for one thing. So again you do not offer realistic training.
Yeah, whatever dude! :rolleyes:
Let me leave you with one thing to think about. Yes this approach works when your opponent gives you his arm but what when he doesn’t? What if your guy was facing a trained knife guy that had developed the ability to keep his distance, lunge in and out with extremely fast and powerful stabs and so forth? What about when what he is doing prevents you from getting a 2 on 1?
We could play the “what if” game all day long. What does that prove? What if he had a gun instead of a knife? What if his knife was tipped with a neurotoxin? What if he was a 300 lb Samoan on acid? :rolleyes:
Yes and I am ex military with combat and present LEO who has experienced these things in the field myself.
And yet you didn’t pick up on the fact that both fighters got in clean stabs to the neck within one minute of your sparring clip. Or the fact that the stab to the neck wouldn’t be immediately incapacitating or stop the opponent from delivering his own stab to the neck about 10 seconds later? I think you’ve got your mind so set on this competitive sparring mentality that you don’t see things that are right in front of you and fairly obvious to others.
[QUOTE=LFJ;1263197]Speaking of knife fighting. Did anyone happen to see what happened recently in Kunming at the railway station? Scary sh!t. :eek:[/QUOTE]
Yes! You’re right! Scary stuff! Does China need “knife control” laws? Just goes to show you that if someone is intent on mayhem, it doesn’t matter whether there are strict laws that limit their access to guns or not.
[QUOTE=KPM;1263204]Yes! You’re right! Scary stuff! Does China need “knife control” laws? Just goes to show you that if someone is intent on mayhem, it doesn’t matter whether there are strict laws that limit their access to guns or not.[/QUOTE]
I’m just glad there’s no private gun ownership here at all. Way too many psychopaths in this country!
The same day as the Sandy Hook tragedy in the States there was an attack at an elementary school in Henan province with about the same number of young victims, but because the attacker only had a knife, while some of them were seriously injured, none of them died. It takes a special kind of crazy to stick cold steel into a child.
Mass knifing incidents are too common over here. Not too long ago a guy went through slicing people trapped on a city bus. Then he was picked up by the police later without incident when they found him sitting on the sidewalk, casually eating some watermelon, enjoying the afternoon.
So I’m glad these psychopaths can’t get their hands on firepower. The death toll at the train station, between several attackers, would have been far greater. That’s for sure.
So I’m glad these psychopaths can’t get their hands on firepower. The death toll at the train station, between several attackers, would have been far greater. That’s for sure.[/QUOTE]