Obviously, this video could be edited to demonstrate proper application according to your own liking. The thing that I like most is the potential for such a basic editing technique.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;983270]Obviously, this video could be edited to demonstrate proper application according to your own liking. The thing that I like most is the potential for such a basic editing technique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqhIwEpNu7c[/QUOTE]
I thought that was cool.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;983270]Obviously, this video could be edited to demonstrate proper application according to your own liking. The thing that I like most is the potential for such a basic editing technique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqhIwEpNu7c[/QUOTE]
He is not showing ANY application on that video.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;983289]He is not showing ANY application on that video.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you should try not making up your own vocabulary. Beyond that he would have but he couldn’t find any local mma guys to humor him, and make him feel like he could fight.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;983290]Perhaps you should try not making up your own vocabulary. Beyond that he would have but he couldn’t find any local mma guys to humor him, and make him feel like he could fight.[/QUOTE]
Application means to apply, to use. In a fighting art, that means to use or apply something in fighting. Hitting a bag (what the guy does on the video to show the punch, for example) is not application. Showing an action on the dummy (another example he uses) isn’t application. Nor is demonstrating what you would do or think you would do in fighitng application.
Go watch Sperry’s Vale Tudo 1 for a great example of someone showing how MAs should be taught and trained. He breaks the fight down into strategic steps, shows the various skills you need at each step, shows how to drill those skills, and then shows it in application through fight footage – and you see him doing in fighting exactly what he taught.
I thought that it would be better to demonstrate a form interspersed with clips of you being humored by your mma buddies.
no jum sao…
I agree the editing techniques have potential.
I do not think that showing how the moves in the form can be applied to bags, the dummy and that vertical rope thing are valid demonstrations of WC applications. Better show him using them in a sparring situation, even if prearranged.
This is not to say the guy is no good at WC, just that his examples could be better.
HWCG and T, can you two get a room or something? This two-kids-arguing-in-the-playground schtick is getting really boring.
[QUOTE=anerlich;983511]I agree the editing techniques have potential.
I do not think that showing how the moves in the form can be applied to bags, the dummy and that vertical rope thing are valid demonstrations of WC applications. Better show him using them in a sparring situation, even if prearranged.
This is not to say the guy is no good at WC, just that his examples could be better.
HWCG and T, can you two get a room or something? This two-kids-arguing-in-the-playground schtick is getting really boring.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking that showing sparring would be ideal or at least some sort of real-time movements would have been fine for me. It might be hard to get some of the application off of sparring video just because not all SLT movements are applicable in legitimate sparring.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;983578] It might be hard to get some of the application off of sparring video just because not all SLT movements are applicable in legitimate sparring.[/QUOTE]
Like what?
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;983592]Like what?[/QUOTE]
You should never say never but it is difficult to have two hand blocking (especially low) in sparring. It could happen, I just don’t see it as likely scenario to arise. It really depends on how literal you want to be with the movements I guess.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;983597]You should never say never but it is difficult to have two hand blocking (especially low) in sparring. It could happen, I just don’t see it as likely scenario to arise. It really depends on how literal you want to be with the movements I guess.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know what you are talking about – two hand (low) blocking?
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;983601]I don’t know what you are talking about – two hand (low) blocking?[/QUOTE]
The double gum saos
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;983603]The double gum saos[/QUOTE]
Gum sao is not a “block” – it is what the name says, a “pinning arm”. It is a manipulation used while attached (already in contact) to an opponent.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;983608] It is a manipulation used while attached (already in contact) to an opponent.[/QUOTE]
So says your lineage or you. I/we use it as both.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;983610]So says your lineage or you. I/we use it as both.[/QUOTE]
Almost all of WCK’s actions are contact skills (usable when already attached), not non-contact skills.
I know many, if not most, people try to use the WCK actions at non-contact (and they are taught that way by people who don’t know better), but they simply won’t work (which is not surprising, why would you expect clinch skills to work outside the clinch?). You see lots of WCK people “practicing” using things like gum saos as non-contact blocks in san sao or light playfighting, but when you see them really fight (spar at high intensity), you see those things go out the window.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;983612]Almost all of WCK’s actions are contact skills (usable when already attached), not non-contact skills.
I know many, if not most, people try to use the WCK actions at non-contact (and they are taught that way by people who don’t know better), but they simply won’t work (which is not surprising, why would you expect clinch skills to work outside the clinch?). You see lots of WCK people “practicing” using things like gum saos as non-contact blocks in san sao or light playfighting, but when you see them really fight (spar at high intensity), you see those things go out the window.[/QUOTE]
When we hit down a side kick to get by it, we call that a gum sao. You could call it something else but to us it is gum sao. I have used it in hard sparring and it has been used against me.
Edit: It doesn’t come up as much these days because people just aren’t using the side kick as much these days. The influence of mma; I think.
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;983617]When we hit down a side kick to get by it, we call that a gum sao. You could call it something else but to us it is gum sao. I have used it in hard sparring and it has been used against me.[/QUOTE]
That’s not a gum sao or pinning hand. Look, the term itself tells you the ACTION you are performing.
Dropping your hands to block kicks (or punches) is a really good idea. 
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;983622]That’s not a gum sao or pinning hand. Look, the term itself tells you the ACTION you are performing.
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That’s one of those never ending WC debates. Is it a pak, jut, a jum, a gum? For use the downward force makes it a gum.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;983622]
Dropping your hands to block kicks (or punches) is a really good idea. ;)[/QUOTE]
You have to use your feet to get you in the right spot. and shift the raised hand to protect when you drop your a hand. Like what boxers do when the shift a hand low. It seems like other lineages have a pretty static wu sao, we move ours around a lot.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;983622]That’s not a gum sao or pinning hand. Look, the term itself tells you the ACTION you are performing.
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Also, I recognize that there are probably at least 2 or 3 other technique that could be used such as a bong or fook. I have used all of them depending on how I needed to parry to move in.