Fajin

Fa means issue
Jin means force vector.
Jin sources from strength or Li.

The different between Jin and Li are Jin is a vector quantity with direction and magnitude. Li or strength is a scala with only magnitude.

Fa Jin is issuing a force vector. And the force vector is a refinement from strength .

Thus, fa Jin can be anything from pinching to crush one’s body to the wall.
from riding a bicycle to slams into a wall to riding a motorcycle and jam the front wheel suddently cause one to bounce and slams into a wall.

However, due to misconception, people some how think only a particular type of movement such as the movement of being bounce off by a wild horse is fajin. And then get into the side track of mimicking that type of bouncing movement but missed the key ----the force vector.

For fajing one knows exactly how to produce the type of force vector intended.

I may add that Jin is exponential bell curve. It comes and go in fast speed.

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&biw=1400&bih=939&tbm=isch&tbnid=TfcAaaGBZF-JQM:&imgrefurl=http://www.robertniles.com/stats/stdev.shtml&docid=AVomkYdZcU7Q3M&imgurl=http://www.robertniles.com/stats/graphics/normal.gif&w=316&h=193&ei=0Zz8Tv-nEqnq2QWst4ytAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=659&vpy=219&dur=3250&hovh=154&hovw=252&tx=138&ty=110&sig=108645184675801907935&page=1&tbnh=133&tbnw=217&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0

while Li is constant or linear.

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1V3IPYX_enUS463US464&biw=1400&bih=939&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=ZEOPIE7UnHU4wM:&imgrefurl=http://matlab.cheme.cmu.edu/&docid=K4A7amweRcQ4MM&imgurl=http://matlab.cheme.cmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/water_gas_shift_01.png&w=560&h=420&ei=Wp38Tp_fBsWi2gWqwpCLAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=367&vpy=630&dur=8299&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=160&ty=171&sig=108645184675801907935&page=1&tbnh=141&tbnw=201&start=0&ndsp=35&ved=1t:429,r:29,s:0

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1150605]I may add that Jin is exponential bell curve. It comes and go in fast speed.

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&biw=1400&bih=939&tbm=isch&tbnid=TfcAaaGBZF-JQM:&imgrefurl=http://www.robertniles.com/stats/stdev.shtml&docid=AVomkYdZcU7Q3M&imgurl=http://www.robertniles.com/stats/graphics/normal.gif&w=316&h=193&ei=0Zz8Tv-nEqnq2QWst4ytAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=659&vpy=219&dur=3250&hovh=154&hovw=252&tx=138&ty=110&sig=108645184675801907935&page=1&tbnh=133&tbnw=217&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0

while Li is constant or linear.

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1V3IPYX_enUS463US464&biw=1400&bih=939&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=ZEOPIE7UnHU4wM:&imgrefurl=http://matlab.cheme.cmu.edu/&docid=K4A7amweRcQ4MM&imgurl=http://matlab.cheme.cmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/water_gas_shift_01.png&w=560&h=420&ei=Wp38Tp_fBsWi2gWqwpCLAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=367&vpy=630&dur=8299&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=160&ty=171&sig=108645184675801907935&page=1&tbnh=141&tbnw=201&start=0&ndsp=35&ved=1t:429,r:29,s:0[/QUOTE]

What you say is Jin is an impulse. Where Li is. Constant.

These seem true.

However, in my understanding, in the definition of the 1930 old chinese central tcma people.

Jin and Li are independent with impulse and constant.

For example,
the explosion Li or bau cha li of a punch strike is an impulse strength . Or bell curve type.
Peng Jin of taiji is a contant applied force vectors. Or linear.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150629]Peng Jin of taiji is a contant applied force vectors. Or linear.[/QUOTE]Both Ji and An can be Fa. Peng and Lu can not be Fa.

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1150631]Both Ji and An can be Fa. Peng and Lu can not be Fa.[/QUOTE]

IMHO.

Jin is independent of using it for balancing or projection.

Ji and an type of Jin project outward. While peng dissolve the incoming force at contact.

So, peng is not projection but peng is dissolving at called or issue or fa.

This, again Jin according to the ancient tcma describetion is independent of balancing or issuing.

Fa means issue also means called for. It is independent of projection or strike out.

Things need to be extremely clear other wise one doesn’t have the full handling of Li and Jin.

So your definition of Fa is “issue” and not “fast issue”. I know fast and slow are both “relative” and not “absolute”.

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1150636]So your definition of Fa is “issue” and not “fast issue”. I know fast and slow are both “relative” and not “absolute”.[/QUOTE]

In my understanding,
Fa can be either for balancing or projection. Fa is more a ," calling for" , as if for fast, slow…etc that needs to further define.

For example,

Fa the or shock bounce jin as its name refer it is fast. So, Jin by itself is very broad and or issue is also very broad, they need another term to further describe as in here the shock bounce.

Fa the or golden hook Jin will then be not as abrupt and shock bounce.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150643]Fa the or shock bounce jin as its name refer it is fast. So, Jin by itself is very broad and or issue is also very broad, they need another term to further describe as in here the shock bounce.

Fa the or golden hook Jin will then be not as abrupt and shock bounce.[/QUOTE]

I have clips used in the Chinese wrestling for (shock bounce jin) and (golden hook Jin). Do you have such clips used for the WC system? If you share yours, I’ll share mine. :wink:

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1150658]I have clips used in the Chinese wrestling for (shock bounce jin) and (golden hook Jin). Do you have such clips used for the WC system? If you share yours, I’ll share mine. ;)[/QUOTE]

You can get the shock bounce which is the last bounce in my five layers clip start at 3.14 the three types of bounce. .


  1. Start from 3.14 is three type of bounce for different purposes using different parts of the body to cover vibrate body mechanics these are shake bounce drop bounce shock bounceShock bounce is the core of yik kam shock or short Jin which was describe as accelerate , release, bounce , recoil back. It is a 6d momentum with 5 layers details.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150662]You can get the shock bounce which is the last bounce in my five layers clip start at 3.14 the three types of bounce. .


  1. Start from 3.14 is three type of bounce for different purposes using different parts of the body to cover vibrate body mechanics these are shake bounce drop bounce shock bounceShock bounce is the core of yik kam shock or short Jin which was describe as accelerate , release, bounce , recoil back. It is a 6d momentum with 5 layers details.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you are trying to name outcome of direction as different sources. If the wind was blowing in different directions and made things blow over or move, would you only refer to describe result or stay with what caused it to move, vibrate, circle, spiral, etc.

[QUOTE=Robinhood;1150672]Sounds like you are trying to name outcome of direction as different sources.

If the wind was blowing in different directions and made things blow over or move, would you only refer to describe result or stay with what caused it to move, vibrate, circle, spiral, etc.[/QUOTE]

Nope. You mis understood.

Human body is human body,
however, there are various ways of using human body parts combination differently to create different outcomes.

Thank you hendrik for your post…some of it i understand…some of it still is weird how you define it…i guess i would have touch hands to feel what you mean!!!

[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1150696]Thank you hendrik for your post…some of it i understand…some of it still is weird how you define it…i guess i would have touch hands to feel what you mean!!![/QUOTE]

I don’t define them, juan relay what is it as it in tcma.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150662]You can get the shock bounce which is the last bounce in my five layers clip start at 3.14 the three types of bounce. .


  1. Start from 3.14 is three type of bounce for different purposes using different parts of the body to cover vibrate body mechanics these are shake bounce drop bounce shock bounceShock bounce is the core of yik kam shock or short Jin which was describe as accelerate , release, bounce , recoil back. It is a 6d momentum with 5 layers details.[/QUOTE]

Do you have any clip that someone (doesn’t have to be yours) applies those Jin on his opponent?

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1150705]Do you have any clip that someone (doesn’t have to be yours) applies those Jin on his opponent?[/QUOTE]

Nope.

But sure one tested these type of things with training tool…ect as usual.
Those who knows what I am doing knows where to look at what is in my clip.

Want to share your sc shock? Prefer solo? I am interested in solo to see what mechanics are there. As for how one applied it that is one’s Level of Kung fu, and that i am not that interested and respect other privatecy.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150701]I don’t define them, juan relay what is it as it in tcma.[/QUOTE]

okay thanks again!

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150707]Nope.

But sure one tested these type of things with training tool…ect as usual.
Those who knows what I am doing knows where to look at what is in my clip.

Want to share your sc shock? Prefer solo? I am interested in solo to see what mechanics are there. As for how one applied it that is one’s Level of Kung fu, and that i am not that interested and respect other privatecy.[/QUOTE]

As I have said, if you can put up one application clip, I’ll put up one in return. I’m not too interested in solo clip. I’m the person who like to see the “result”. :wink:

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1150722]As I have said, if you can put up one application clip, I’ll put up one in return. I’m not too interested in solo clip. I’m the person who like to see the “result”. ;)[/QUOTE]

You ask me for iT in the earlier post. And I shared it.

Now you change your condition. That is fine with me.

For me, solo or double , mechanics is mechanics. It is mechanics I am interested in.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150724]You ask me for iT in the earlier post. And I shared it.

Now you change your condition. That is fine with me.

For me, solo or double , mechanics is mechanics. It is mechanics I am interested in.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t not change my condition. Sorry that you may misunderstand me. To me, clip is always “2 men application”. I’ll never, never, and never ask for anybody’s solo clip.

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1150658]I have clips used in the Chinese wrestling for (shock bounce jin) and (golden hook Jin). Do you have such clips used for the WC system? If you share yours, I’ll share mine. ;)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1150726]I didn’t not change my condition. Sorry that you may misunderstand me. To me, clip is always “2 men application”. I’ll never, never, and never ask for anybody’s solo clip.[/QUOTE]

That is ok.

For me, Sharing doesnt need no condition.

Didn’t you the one who post up the clip adam shu shows his baji Jin in solo?