I allow students to wear safety goggles during sparring to allow eye strikes. Any thoughts on this?
Do you have specific equipment that you use to train the speed and accuracy needed for eye strikes?
I used to practice with a ping-pong ball suspended by a string to increase my accuracy. I have also used a piece of paper suspended by two strings. The idea with the paper is to strike it fast enough to tear the paper before it can move, kind of like the method used in a speed break with a board.
When I was younger, I had an idea and cut two eye holes in a piece of cardboard, suspended it from both sides with twine, and poked at it for accuracy. You could also use a plastic Halloween mask, if you have one, though IMO the cardboard or a piece of linoleum is cheaper/more durable.
It’s only for accuracy on a fairly stationary target, though it bobs a bit and you can move around it.
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1121435]When I was younger, I had an idea and cut two eye holes in a piece of cardboard, suspended it from both sides with twine, and poked at it for accuracy. You could also use a plastic Halloween mask, if you have one, though IMO the cardboard or a piece of linoleum is cheaper/more durable.
It’s only for accuracy on a fairly stationary target, though it bobs a bit and you can move around it.[/QUOTE]
Jimbo,
The plastic or new latex Halloween mask idea is GENIUS! Especially if placed over a styrofoam mannequin head and mounted to something stable.
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1121469]Jimbo,
The plastic or new latex Halloween mask idea is GENIUS! Especially if placed over a styrofoam mannequin head and mounted to something stable.
Yes, the B.O.B. is excellent. I don’t own one yet, but have played with them before…IMO, its biggest strength is you can practice so many more things besides only the orthodox punching, etc. Eye/throat strikes, etc.
Another training method I’ve heard of but haven’t tried is slicing a watermelon, orange, or some other fruit in half, and practicing eye stabs into the fleshy part, supposedly to help one overcome squeamishness, to some degree. Because the eyes are squishy, of course. I still think it isn’t close to the real thing, because the eyeballs have more elasticity, etc. Plus, I don’t like the idea of wasting produce.
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1121571]I still think it isn’t close to the real thing, because the eyeballs have more elasticity, etc. Plus, I don’t like the idea of wasting produce.[/QUOTE]
You can buy pig/goat/cow heads at the Chinese and Mexican markets. You can cook and eat them too if they haven’t been at room temperature too long.
Now that I think about it…I have to make sure the students dont gouge it other in the eyes on accident when they are sparring with no gloves or open gloves…I dotn even have to train them…they have eye gouging down!
[QUOTE=-N-;1121628]The other way around is more classic. It’s in your Bung Bo.[/QUOTE]
Yep, technique number 29 in the Qixing Tanglangquan version of Beng Bu - mo méi gn yn - Wipe Eyebrow & Jab Eyes, or in WHF quan pu - t tu dio q yn Kick Leg, Hook & Take Eye. Which is a left high defend coupled with a simultaneous right jumping front kick and a right scissor-hand ( - jin shu) strike to the eyes.
[QUOTE=mantid1;1121664]Now that I think about it…I have to make sure the students dont gouge it other in the eyes on accident when they are sparring with no gloves or open gloves…I dotn even have to train them…they have eye gouging down![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=-N-;1121628]The other way around is more classic. It’s in your Bung Bo.[/QUOTE]
Usually you use eye strike, groin kick combo when you retreat. When you advance, since you have to enter the kicking range before entering the punching range, kick 1st and punch later will make more sense.
Toward the end of the Liu He Tanglangquan form - cáng hu - Hidden Flower, there is a technique called: - táng láng dian jng shou - Praying Mantis Dots the Pupils Hand .
The technique starts with the downward redirecting of the opponent’s lead hand by means of LHTLQ’s unique method of performing - gu lu - Hook & Hold, followed by a spear-hand attack to the opponent’s eye or throat.
The spear-hand used in LHTLQ is the same hand position as the nukite of Shotokan Karate.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1121984]Usually you use eye strike, groin kick combo when you retreat. When you advance, since you have to enter the kicking range before entering the punching range, kick 1st and punch later will make more sense.[/QUOTE]
Eye attack hides the groin kick. In Bung Bo, you have eye attack that precedes the simultaneous eye attack jump kick. So multiple eye attacks set up the kick.
If I kick first, as on the way in, I don’t need eye attack. I just finish with a power move.
[QUOTE=-N-;1122083]Eye attack hides the groin kick. In Bung Bo, you have eye attack that precedes the simultaneous eye attack jump kick. So multiple eye attacks set up the kick.[/QUOTE]
Where is the first eye attack? Tiger Riding, Double Bind Hands precedes the Kick Leg, Hook & Take Eyes. Do you see eye attacks in Double Hooks, Left Seize Leg and Double Hooks, Right Seize Leg? Or do you see the Tiger Riding, Double Bind Hands as a hidden eye attack?
I am not debating, nor saying you are wrong. I am just unaware of a prior “eye attack that precedes the simultaneous eye attack jump kick”.
-N- is right. It’s a left hand eye slash/wipe (or poke in some versions) followed by a right simultaneous eye poke with jumping groin kick.
In one version from my family the left eye slash also has a simultaneous left kick preceding the jumping right. So it becomes a switch kick. In application you can choose which kick goes to the ribs, which one to the nuts.
This conversation makes me chuckle about a saying we used to use in class when referring to simultaneous attacks - didn’t matter if it was an eye poke with a kick, palm with a kick, chop with a kick, or punch with a kick… we’d say “You choose, face or balls?”
[QUOTE=B.Tunks;1122224]-N- is right. It’s a left hand eye slash/wipe (or poke in some versions) followed by a right simultaneous eye poke with jumping groin kick.
In one version from my family the left eye slash also has a simultaneous left kick preceding the jumping right. So it becomes a switch kick. In application you can choose which kick goes to the ribs, which one to the nuts.[/QUOTE]
-N- and Brendan,
SWEEEET! That is a new application to me. I see what you mean now.
In the Ling Beng Bu (WHF), after the double bind hands:
The left hand hooks and holds an incoming left reverse strike,
Then the simultaneous right front kick/eye jab is performed.
So I never considered that the hook hand could also be a raking finger strike.
Thanks for the enlightenment!
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1122300]mooying, you are forgettign the eye attack in lipi? do you know that form[/QUOTE]
Mike,
I have three versions of the form on video (Eight Step, Long Fist and Seven Star), but I was never taught the form. Care to expound on the technique for us?
[QUOTE=MightyB;1122325]This conversation makes me chuckle about a saying we used to use in class when referring to simultaneous attacks - didn’t matter if it was an eye poke with a kick, palm with a kick, chop with a kick, or punch with a kick… we’d say “You choose, face or balls?”
