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It’s an examination of the classic boxing fighting stance in comparison to the modern square fighter’s stance. IMO, it’s really not significantly different than the classic northern TCMA stance - is there something we can learn or apply based on this video?
[QUOTE=MightyB;1244486]Something Great Came from the Wing Chun Forum’s infighting! This video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81non05aKX4 was posted in a thread started by GlennR
It’s an examination of the classic boxing fighting stance in comparison to the modern square fighter’s stance. IMO, it’s really not significantly different than the classic northern TCMA stance - is there something we can learn or apply based on this video?[/QUOTE]
Yes, THAT is how one makes a good video.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1244486]
It’s an examination of the classic boxing fighting stance in comparison to the modern square fighter’s stance. IMO, it’s really not significantly different than the classic northern TCMA stance - is there something we can learn or apply based on this video?[/QUOTE]
the classic northern TCMA stance is the modern square fighters stance. u mad?
U MAD?
[QUOTE=bawang;1244491]the classic northern TCMA stance is the modern square fighters stance. u mad?
U MAD?[/QUOTE]
You really need to get out and actually study kung fu.
Anyone familiar with the orthodox northern TCMA fighting stance will see some similarity to the classic boxing stance - the exception being that Northern kung fu prefers the dominant hand in front.
Comparative pics would be nice…
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1244496]Comparative pics would be nice…[/QUOTE]
Too many contemporary artists are into kung fu. Did a couple of searches for northern kung fu terms with the term “illustration” hoping to find something historic and couldn’t. So - if you don’t know or haven’t been exposed to a legit Northern system, you’re SOL. Basically, look at the first pic I posted, stand like that but with your dominant hand forward in a fist and open your back guard hand, lower your center of gravity slightly - and valla - you’re pretty much standing in the classic northern TCMA fighting stance.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1244498]Too many contemporary artists are into kung fu. Did a couple of searches for northern kung fu terms with the term “illustration” hoping to find something historic and couldn’t. So - if you don’t know or haven’t been exposed to a legit Northern system, you’re SOL. Basically, look at the first pic I posted, stand like that but with your dominant hand forward in a fist and open your back guard hand, lower your center of gravity slightly - and valla - you’re pretty much standing in the classic northern TCMA fighting stance.[/QUOTE]
theres no such thing as “modern” fighting stance. classical western boxing doesn’t tuck the chin to show elegance and grace. it was called the gentleman stance, or with style. modern boxing tucks the chin for safety, it was called commoner stance or without style.
[QUOTE=bawang;1244501]theres no such thing as “modern” fighting stance. the only difference is classical western boxing doesn’t tuck the chin to show elegance and grace. it was called the gentleman stance, or with style. modern boxing tucks the chin for safety, it was called commoner stance or without style. the “modern stance” is as ancient as the “classical” boxing stance.
as the prize money steadily rose in western boxing, fighters could not afford to look beautiful and gentlemanly.[/QUOTE]
Tucking the Chin and hunching the body is far more necessary when standing square with legs apart than it is when standing with the legs in line.
In the classic methods from every culture I have seen people stand with the legs more in line. So the body is more upright.
Nowadays people tend to stand a little more square with the legs more apart. So we have the modern way of holding the body.
[QUOTE=bawang;1244501]theres no such thing as “modern” fighting stance. classical western boxing doesn’t tuck the chin to show elegance and grace. it was called the gentleman stance, or with style. modern boxing tucks the chin for safety, it was called commoner stance or without style.[/QUOTE]
The main difference in stance between classical styles and modern styles is that in old styles people tended to keep their feet in line. Now people favour a wider base with legs apart. This affects the way you hold your upper body, head and hands. I think there is this difference.
[QUOTE=bawang;1244501]theres no such thing as “modern” fighting stance. classical western boxing doesn’t tuck the chin to show elegance and grace. it was called the gentleman stance, or with style. modern boxing tucks the chin for safety, it was called commoner stance or without style.[/QUOTE]
Classical boxing dealt with far less head shots than modern boxing and many of those were “uppercutting” and as such, the more “upright” head would allow for a better chance to evade those “uppward” strikes.
Since Hooks as we now throw them were NOT used ( they were more round house punches than hooks), the high chin wasn’t as much of an issue.
The “chin tucked” in is a must on modern fighting.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1244512]Classical boxing dealt with far less head shots than modern boxing and many of those were “uppercutting” and as such, the more “upright” head would allow for a better chance to evade those “uppward” strikes.
Since Hooks as we now throw them were NOT used ( they were more round house punches than hooks), the high chin wasn’t as much of an issue.
The “chin tucked” in is a must on modern fighting.[/QUOTE]
during 1890s transition from classical boxing to modern boxing, the main objection from classical supporters is modern boxing looks ugly and brutal.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1244512]Classical boxing dealt with far less head shots than modern boxing and many of those were “uppercutting” and as such, the more “upright” head would allow for a better chance to evade those “uppward” strikes.[/QUOTE]
say what now
[QUOTE=wenshu;1244516]say what now[/QUOTE]
I think he watched some of those bareknuckle “experts” on youtube
[QUOTE=wenshu;1244516]say what now[/QUOTE]
I think he saw some guy on youtube claiming this.
[QUOTE=bawang;1244520]I think he saw some guy on youtube claiming this.[/QUOTE]
It was a Van damme movie, get your sources right.
once again, this thread is about wanting fighting to look beautiful.