Dragon in San Diego
Hey Gabriel, long time no see. Haven’t seen you since Sifu Manny’s B-day. How have you been?
Anyway, Sifu Martin and Peter Pena are both in AZ. The school in San Diego is a Bagua school if I am not mistaken.
I hope this helps,
RP2
[QUOTE=MightyB;1174723]My friend in college studied under this master. I appreciate the stepping and power demonstrated in this style.[/QUOTE]
Me likes that form.
I have always liked Lung Ying, Bak Mei, Nam Tong Long Pai(whatever branch) for their structure and power generation.
[QUOTE=Ng Jit;1177383]Can you get rich off of teaching any authentic kung fu?
Also one of my teachers teaches Mok gar in San Diego… his site is here.
http://www.sojournpast.com/[/QUOTE]
His sight is still up but I’ve contacted him, he’s no longer in SD bummer…
[QUOTE=ittokaos;1178046]
Anyway, Sifu Martin and Peter Pena are both in AZ. The school in San Diego is a Bagua school if I am not mistaken.
I hope this helps,
RP2[/QUOTE]
You are correct. Who would want to move to AZ?? Its like moving to face of the sun.
[QUOTE=Dale Dugas;1178125]I have always liked Lung Ying, Bak Mei, Nam Tong Long Pai(whatever branch) for their structure and power generation.[/QUOTE]
Makes one wonder about how common they all are…common as in descended from a common system.
[QUOTE=SimonM;1178005]Man, if I had $1,000 extra lying around I would SO go there. Temagami is beautiful. (But saying it’s north of Toronto is a bit of an under-statement. It’s north of North Bay.)[/QUOTE]
The retreat was great, I put a bunch of pictures up at http://www.appliedcombat.com/?page_id=652 We all had a blast out there.
[QUOTE=Golden Arms;1178155]The retreat was great, I put a bunch of pictures up at http://www.appliedcombat.com/?page_id=652 We all had a blast out there.[/QUOTE]
Grumble grumble grumble…
Lucky…
Grumble grumble.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1178144]Makes one wonder about how common they all are…common as in descended from a common system.[/QUOTE]
umm hakka roots anyone?
[QUOTE=Frost;1178224]umm hakka roots anyone?[/QUOTE]
Perhaps, or even further back.
But my point was not the common heritage, but that they all may have had a common “ancestor” from which they all evolved ( based on individual preferences and interpretations of the various masters).
It wouldn’t surprise me of SPM, WC, White Crane, Dragon fist, Pak Mei, Five ancestors, etc, all came from the same root system.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1178312]Perhaps, or even further back.
But my point was not the common heritage, but that they all may have had a common “ancestor” from which they all evolved ( based on individual preferences and interpretations of the various masters).
It wouldn’t surprise me of SPM, WC, White Crane, Dragon fist, Pak Mei, Five ancestors, etc, all came from the same root system.[/QUOTE]
if you ever read ginger fists old posts on here, the seed art for him was a hakka art way before it went to the temple to become southern mantis, since both CLC and dragons creator studied the same hakka fist art in their youth its not too hard to think they all come from the same seed fist, was that fist a hakka one brought to the south by the hakka or something else, who honestly knows its been so long all i know is that they are fun to practise 
[QUOTE=Frost;1178455]if you ever read ginger fists old posts on here, the seed art for him was a hakka art way before it went to the temple to become southern mantis, since both CLC and dragons creator studied the same hakka fist art in their youth its not too hard to think they all come from the same seed fist, was that fist a hakka one brought to the south by the hakka or something else, who honestly knows its been so long all i know is that they are fun to practise :)[/QUOTE]
Controversy may be that the Okinawan styles may have it right all along…
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1178458]Controversy may be that the Okinawan styles may have it right all along…[/QUOTE]
controversy and chinese arts go hand in hand lol
its amazing to me how many nameless monks walked around china teaching these guys their super secret arts…hey why couldnt someone just say look im a tough son of a b*tch i have survived war, violence and dead matches and this is the art i have created…but oh no they all seemed to find a secret monk to learn from
[QUOTE=Frost;1178465]controversy and chinese arts go hand in hand lol
its amazing to me how many nameless monks walked around china teaching these guys their super secret arts…hey why couldnt someone just say look im a tough son of a b*tch i have survived war, violence and dead matches and this is the art i have created…but oh no they all seemed to find a secret monk to learn from :)[/QUOTE]
Well, its pretty much accepted that the “old monk taught me” or the “inspired by an animal” thing was just a TCMA tradition used to add “flavour” to a system that was developed by simple trial and error on the part of the Master.
It wasn’t misleading anyone ( as it would be now for example) but just a standard tradtion.
Popular in Japan too, many a RYU was developed by “divine revelation” of by the teachings of a Tengu, LOL !
[QUOTE=Runlikehell;1175149]If it’s a variant of Lung Ying, could just be that it is called that because who ever learned it began to teach it in Fukien. That’s an origin story I’ve heard for some branches of Lung Ying.
If it’s a completely different system, all I would guess is that it was founded in Fukien and/or is said to come from the Southern Shaolin temple in Fukien.
Fukien is Fujian, btw. If that’s what you meant.
I wonder if there’s the possibility of it originating from Northern Dragon, and then moving south?[/QUOTE]
I can’t remember where I saw this, but I remember seeing something that said that Lung Ying was originally Eagle style, but for some reason they changed the name to Dragon there in Southern China. Anyone here that before?
[QUOTE=Faruq;1178485]I can’t remember where I saw this, but I remember seeing something that said that Lung Ying was originally Eagle style, but for some reason they changed the name to Dragon there in Southern China. Anyone here that before?[/QUOTE]
Nope, if that is the case, a LOT more than just a name was changed if by eagle you mean eagle claw.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1178468]Well, its pretty much accepted that the “old monk taught me” or the “inspired by an animal” thing was just a TCMA tradition used to add “flavour” to a system that was developed by simple trial and error on the part of the Master.
It wasn’t misleading anyone ( as it would be now for example) but just a standard tradtion.
Popular in Japan too, many a RYU was developed by “divine revelation” of by the teachings of a Tengu, LOL ![/QUOTE]
what may not have ben misleading and was standard practise back them,casues a cluster f*ck of problems these days,…:mad:
[QUOTE=Frost;1178629]what may not have ben misleading and was standard practise back them,casues a cluster f*ck of problems these days,…:mad:[/QUOTE]
Well duh !
LOL !
All valid points. You guys truely see the modern issue and its implications of poor records. Never was the term “new and improved” used. Or modified? Just plainly " ancient tradtion of temple kung fu passed to me by a great a secret monk" so you can’t trace it…therefore you must believe me.
The Eagle term that Frost mentioned…i have heard several times. If you look at Golden Eagle…you can see the hakka vein. Now? could it be some unsavoury dude wanted to link his kung fu with the roots of another successful style for street cred? Maybe.?
I see things this way…
From wiki so it must be true…“Lam Yiu Gwai and Jeung Lai Chuen were good friends from their youth in the Dongjiang region of Huizhou, longtime training partners and later cousins by marriage. Lam and Jeung would open several schools together, and Southern Dragon style and Jeung’s style of Bak Mei share many similarities.”
Lam Yiu Gwai had learned BaK Mei orginally, then modified it based on his body type. Thick torso, strong as bull, low centre of gravity. That would mean the phoneix eye fist (rapid footwork, dodging and speed) would not be as effective. So he switched to a flat fist. (rooted, hitting with the rear leg pushing)
So in fact another system, with a completely other biomechanical superiority theory. ???
I thought dragon pre dated bak me (and CLC actually learned from Lams uncle this family style) and that lam yiu gwai simply put all his teachings into a coherent structure that we now know as modern dragon?
From what I remember they both trained the same base hakka art , hence the shared similarities jik bo and 16 steps are an awful lot alike lol, and the difference coming from their other teachers and as you say their size difference
[QUOTE=Frost;1178665]I thought dragon pre dated bak me (and CLC actually learned from Lams uncle this family style) and that lam yiu gwai simply put all his teachings into a coherent structure that we now know as modern dragon?
From what I remember they both trained the same base hakka art , hence the shared similarities jik bo and 16 steps are an awful lot alike lol, and the difference coming from their other teachers and as you say their size difference[/QUOTE]
Some have argued that snake predates Dragon and that dragon was used to give a more “celestial” sound to the system.