[QUOTE=banditshaw;787079]Check out this interesting interpretation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqkZ_PQi6NM[/QUOTE]
One of the better ones, no doubt, to say the least.
Just a little language lesson.
Sifu:
or
- teacher, master, mentor, reverend
- tutor, instructor
- father
Sensei:
- previous, former, front, ahead, the future, prior, preceding
- life, living, raw, unprocessed, naive, green, inexperienced
Sifu tends to be used for stuff where knowledge is exchanged: teachers, cooks, drivers, elders in a trade or art, and has a distinct “parent tutor” connotation.
Sensei is used for teachers, professors, lawyers, doctors, politicians, and any professional. It’s closer to the meaning of “mister”.
Dude’s been studying under Buck Sam Kong as long as I’ve been alive.
Don’t really like his gung gee applications; but he’s basically breaking down a pre-existing 2-man form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2jknDWEyEU
Hamby knows his stuff, no doubt and Hung gar suits him to a T.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;787123]Hamby knows his stuff, no doubt and Hung gar suits him to a T.[/QUOTE]
Makes me wish I could see the footage of the full contact tourneys in Hawaii against the Muay Thai guys back in 1974.
[QUOTE=banditshaw;787140]Makes me wish I could see the footage of the full contact tourneys in Hawaii against the Muay Thai guys back in 1974.[/QUOTE]
Heck, if you can find a MT fighter in the 70’s Hamby;'s size, I wanna see that too !!
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;787123]Hamby knows his stuff, no doubt and Hung gar suits him to a T.[/QUOTE]
LOL - and I just thought he was so ripped the sleeves kindof tore-off on their own, Lou Ferigno-style.
Quite a few sifu’s sure have a fetish with those bracers though… 
not sure that’s healthy and all. 
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;787142]Heck, if you can find a MT fighter in the 70’s Hamby;'s size, I wanna see that too !!
:D[/QUOTE]
LOL. Yeah that’s for sure.
[QUOTE=southernkf;787064]Hi David,
Why? What makes you like one over the other? I have seen several net versions. Some I like and some I don’t. I don’t recall Hamby’s or Lam’s off the top of my head so I am not sure how to critique them. Them again, I don’t have the skills to critique them. :)[/QUOTE]
I have a preference for lams because the flavour is closer to how I understand it to be in regards to the isotonic/isometric aspects.
i find the version that I saw of hamby’s while he was younger, didn’t have the tone or depth that wl had.
If I looked again, I might hold a different view.
I like YC Wong’s hung gar too. Always admired it.
Kong’s is good too and from what I undrestand he is Hamby’s sifu, so there you go.
It’s all good. the Hong Kong one looks good.
this is a good set to maintain tone into middle and autumn years.
Probably one of the best principled sets of “hard qigong” available in the southern arts from Shaolin.
again, this is just my opinion and I’m not indicating anyone is better or best or anything like that. Just that sometimes i prefer this dumpling over that. 
I know that Springer is much maligned as of late, but I hear his Iron Wire is top notch too, a couple that have seen it have nothing but good things to say about it.
a Gene Ching interview
Wow - that’s old. Simone interviewed at the MAC booth at a cable TV convention. It was like a half hour interview and I’m sure I said something intelligent during that period, but it sure doesn’t come out in that little sound byte. It was fun tho.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;787154]I have a preference for lams because the flavour is closer to how I understand it to be in regards to the isotonic/isometric aspects.
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again, this is just my opinion and I’m not indicating anyone is better or best or anything like that. Just that sometimes i prefer this dumpling over that. :)[/QUOTE]
Cool. Just asking why. People sometimes say this or that is better. I always like to know why.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;787082]One of the better ones, no doubt, to say the least.[/QUOTE]
And I’ll ask the same question I asked eariler. Why?
talking about so called Lam Saiwing’s book on “iron thread set” (tit sin kyun), i would like to add couple of notes:
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the book was not written by Lam Saiwing, but his student Jyu Yujaai
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the sequence of pics is mixed up (same goes for “tiger and crane” [fu hok seung yin kyun]). funny thing is that some people follow the sequence of the book, like the first section. how about the opening sequence of “taming of the tiger in gung pattern” (same section)?
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original photos are much better than the drawings - see some of them at http://www.lghk.org/en/gallery/lsw.htm
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the sounds are definitelly different in the real set than in the book (eg.: three “dik” sounds in ding kiu is really funny thing; even funnier is doing the soungs in Mandarin, like “wu” instead of “ng”, “xi” instead of “hei”, “hua” instead of “wa” etc.)
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of all the 3 books by Jyu Yujaai i found this one almost uselles, except the introduction and foreword.
anyway, people will keep repeating same bul****s again and again (books were written by LSW, written in 1917, tey are Bible of Hung Kyun etc.). interesting, but that is it, nothing else.
[QUOTE=PM;787240]talking about so called Lam Saiwing’s book on “iron thread set” (tit sin kyun), i would like to add couple of notes:
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the book was not written by Lam Saiwing, but his student Jyu Yujaai
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the sequence of pics is mixed up (same goes for “tiger and crane” [fu hok seung yin kyun]). funny thing is that some people follow the sequence of the book, like the first section. how about the opening sequence of “taming of the tiger in gung pattern” (same section)?
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original photos are much better than the drawings - see some of them at http://www.lghk.org/en/gallery/lsw.htm
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the sounds are definitelly different in the real set than in the book (eg.: three “dik” sounds in ding kiu is really funny thing; even funnier is doing the soungs in Mandarin, like “wu” instead of “ng”, “xi” instead of “hei”, “hua” instead of “wa” etc.)
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of all the 3 books by Jyu Yujaai i found this one almost uselles, except the introduction and foreword.
anyway, people will keep repeating same bul****s again and again (books were written by LSW, written in 1917, tey are Bible of Hung Kyun etc.). interesting, but that is it, nothing else.[/QUOTE]
I think you are being a bit harsh. Many of us understand what’s up with the books and the supplementary manual as well. It’s no big thing. Kungfu isn’t learned from books, they serve as reference mostly to those things which are already known. I don’t think you’re 100 on the sequence either. I agree that start to finish, the sequence is different, but the segments are logical. It is the principles at play that have the most importance anyway seeing as the set is different from sifu to sifu in both flavour and sequence.
the sounds in mandarin? that’s the first time I heard that. Interesting, they wouldn’t have the same ********y qualities if altered too far. The purpose of the sounds is to measure breath and to regulate the vibration within. I don’t think it would be the same if you did literal translations of them.
Gene -
please have v i b r a t o r removed from the word list!
that looks goofy!
the cantonese words are still only approximations of the sounds, so they are more or less an equivelent. But the words are pronounced completely different in Manderin. Look at white-Bai in Mand. Bak in Cant. simply saying the words creates completely different effects in breathing. This is the problem when you try to convey in black and white something that honestly can only be taught through direct transmission, from Sifu to Todai.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;787327]the cantonese words are still only approximations of the sounds, so they are more or less an equivelent. But the words are pronounced completely different in Manderin. Look at white-Bai in Mand. Bak in Cant. simply saying the words creates completely different effects in breathing. This is the problem when you try to convey in black and white something that honestly can only be taught through direct transmission, from Sifu to Todai.[/QUOTE]
Has anyone compared the sounds and motions of other lineages of Tiet Sin Kuen? I believe there still exists other lineages of Tit Kiu Sam. It would be interesting as we know, forms change over time. Although I don’t have the wealth of knowledge many of you do, I have not seen to lineages that perform any styles forms identical. So if we are talking about books and sounds, I wonder how, if they have, over time. Or are the essentials unchanged?
Then I suppose that begs the question what is the important elements of Tiet Sin Kuen?
[QUOTE=southernkf;787372]Has anyone compared the sounds and motions of other lineages of Tiet Sin Kuen? I believe there still exists other lineages of Tit Kiu Sam. It would be interesting as we know, forms change over time. Although I don’t have the wealth of knowledge many of you do, I have not seen to lineages that perform any styles forms identical. So if we are talking about books and sounds, I wonder how, if they have, over time. Or are the essentials unchanged?
Then I suppose that begs the question what is the important elements of Tiet Sin Kuen?[/QUOTE]
I learned some black tiger before that had a set called gong lik kuen.
the set itself when compared to hung kuen is a mix of gung gee and tid sen together and the focus is mostly on the dynamic tension. There is only the use of the Tiger (wa) sound in it at near the middle of the set, it’s very long and arduous and all in all comparable to tid sen in it’s focus and result.
I haven’t a clue about the history of this black tiger set and only offer it as a comparison to the Hung Kuen Tid Sen set not a counterpart.
It is actually difficult to say which sounds are most correct, as the actual sounds have evolved over centuries from their original forms. The original form, which was from a defensive v i b r a t o r y y technique once used by fierce warriors, who were considered “Keepers of the Sacred Word”. Perhaps you have seen reference to this in Frank Herbert’s “Dune,” as Herbert drew from many historical legends and writings to lay the groundwork for his epic tale.
This legend has taken many forms, and has crept into TCMA history,particularly in Tibetan White Crane, or Hop-Ga-Knight’s Family system. Leung Guan (Tiet Kiu-Sam) was said to have learned the techniques, which formed the basis for his “Rock Body Fist,” a series of exercises,which later was systemized into Tiet Sien Kuen.
Here is a link showing what might be the original sounds, as well as one of the later versions, where the sounds were actually changed by the very knights themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQfGd3G6dg&NR=1
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;787280]I think you are being a bit harsh. Many of us understand what’s up with the books and the supplementary manual as well. It’s no big thing. Kungfu isn’t learned from books, they serve as reference mostly to those things which are already known. I don’t think you’re 100% on the sequence either. I agree that start to finish, the sequence is different, but the segments are logical. It is the principles at play that have the most importance anyway seeing as the set is different from sifu to sifu in both flavour and sequence.
the sounds in mandarin? that’s the first time I heard that. Interesting, they wouldn’t have the same ********y qualities if altered too far. The purpose of the sounds is to measure breath and to regulate the vibration within. I don’t think it would be the same if you did literal translations of them.[/QUOTE]
what i meant: the so called LSW’s book are in NO WAY criterion whose Hung Kyun is more traditional, more correct etc. (maby that is not what you meant when you wrote “I find WL’s closer to the LSW publication”). i have seen people to adjust what they have learned to the pics/sequence in the books, i find this ridiculous. even worse is to learn it from the book.
anyway, so many people talk about tit sin kyun, but my impression is that most of them have never learned it, or have learned it form a bad video, or have learned it and do not practice it regularly.
just my 2 cents
not to be off-topic: i saw part of Don Hamby sifu’s sap ying kyun/tit sin kyun and i liked it.
all the best