Dit Da Jow questions

Gino,

You can add Du Zhong 60 grams to any formula to help strengthen the bones.

Many use a combo of Wu Jia Pi, Du Zhong, and Ba Ji Tian to help strengthen the bones, and the kidneys which rule the bones according to Chinese Medicine

Tiger Bone was used as they thought it had great levels of Qi from the tiger in it.

I do not use Tiger Bone but have used elk bone, bear bone, stallion bone, and other big animals.

You can take any bone, soak it in vinegar and then bake it on low heat for 4-6 hours. Break that up and you have a great substitute for tiger bone.

[QUOTE=Dale Dugas;1094369]Gino,

You can add Du Zhong 60 grams to any formula to help strengthen the bones.

Many use a combo of Wu Jia Pi, Du Zhong, and Ba Ji Tian to help strengthen the bones, and the kidneys which rule the bones according to Chinese Medicine[/QUOTE]

Thanks Dale… I already use Du Zhong and Wu Jia Pi. I will look into the Ba Ji Tian.

Thanks again

ginosifu

Gino,

You can up the amounts of the Du Zhong and Wu Jia Pi and add 18-24 grams of Ba Ji Tian and see how it works.

[QUOTE=Dale Dugas;1094372]Gino,

You can up the amounts of the Du Zhong and Wu Jia Pi and add 18-24 grams of Ba Ji Tian and see how it works.[/QUOTE]

I was at 30g of each, but I think I will try 60g of each and add Ba Ti Jian for my next batch.

ginosifu

Gino,

You can always contact me off forum with any questions you might have.

Let me know how I can be of service to you.

Categorically, Tiger Bone is a Wind-Damp herb. Qian Nian Jian is probably the closest academic match.

Gino, don’t you know Mike Biggie down south of you? He’s pretty big in to the jao recipes.

[QUOTE=Oso;1095100]Gino, don’t you know Mike Biggie down south of you? He’s pretty big in to the jao recipes.[/QUOTE]

Yes I do, I speak with him often. We have exchanged dit da jow info many times. He is a great Dit Da Jow sifu. In fact I usually order some herbs that the local Chinese Herbal shops can not or will not offer.

ginosifu

[QUOTE=PlumDragon;1094772]Categorically, Tiger Bone is a Wind-Damp herb. Qian Nian Jian is probably the closest academic match.[/QUOTE]

Thank you Josh, I was thinking about using it myself but wanted some expert advise from you guys.

ginosifu

You can consider using Gu Sui Bu and charred animal shell crushed into powder as alternatives to Tiger Bone. Combine that with Xue Jie and the typical herbs in a Dit Da formula and you will have an outstanding formula to address bone issues.

Dit da jow brewing methods

I have heard that there is much more Methods of brewing dit da jow than just covering the herbs in alcohol and shaking it everyday. I was hoping the more experienced jow brewers could shed some light and hopefully share some methods other than soaking in alcohol. Like cooking certain herbs before adding to the jow or heating the alcohol it’s self that adding I even heard of burying the jow with peat moss? Thanks in advance

Tom

If your dit da jow is for external use only, you don’t need any special treatment. If you also use it for drinking and if you use (Du Zhong) in your wine, you will need to use a little bit water and salt to pan cook it dry before putting it in your wine. This will remove the bitter taste out of it.

This is the dit da jow formula that I like to use. Just ignore the “tiger bone” in that list.

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Tom,

There are many different manners in which to prepare dit da jow.

The easiest way to make a better medicine is to grind the herbs course to help break down the cell walls in order to extract more of the active chemicals in the herbs into solution.

You then can heat your solvent up. Take your vodka or wine and place the bottles in hot water to create hot solvent and then add to your glass container containing your herbs.

Cool overnight, then seal it up and let it sit for 6 weeks.

Enjoy!

Wow thanks ykw, and Dale I just started studying acupuncture so i ask my professor about enhancing the properties of herbs. which introduced me to the world of pao zhi so ive got some studying to do lol. how do you guys find grinding ru xiang and mo yao? i find it just sticks to my mortar and pestle do you guys recommend using a electric grinder if so can you recommend a layman version that will do the job and fairly inexpensive (Being a student makes me poor lo:Dl)

thanks in advance you guys are too generous
Thomas

Thomas,

Just got back from my annual training camp with my teacher, Dr. John Painter.

I do not grind Ru Xiang or Mo Yao as its hard. I process them with vinegar to help get the most out of the resins.

Let me know how I can be of service to you.

I often grind Myrrh when it is part of a formula (as opposed to be sold whole by the ounce). If I include a portion of it with a good amount of other herbs that can kind of buffer the sticky resinousness of the Myrrh, then I find that I get a good grind and it does not adversely affect the grinder or gum anything up.

Any ingredients which should not be added to Dit Da because they’re too potent/toxic

I’ve heard of some of the (to my western brainwashed perception and also b/c I’m not a student of TCM/AOM)..more..shall I say(with no offense intended) esoteric forms of remedies in different herbal formulas such as “flying quirrel dung” and “toad secretions” and “powdered scorpion”.

It’s not a judgement on the efficacy of these remedies of course.

Are there any herbs or remedies which should NOT be added to Dit Da(toxicity concerns)?

Thank you.

LTN

What do you mean should NOT be added?

All depends on how strong you want the medicine.

Toxic herbs are not put into formulas for no reason.

Many of the poisonous herbs help stop pain, move blood and qi, etc and adding them creates stronger medicine.

Adding them also creates a medicine that is okay to use externally but if introduced into the blood stream deadly. Hence you do not use DMSO ever when making jow as it could pull things into your blood stream.

Well, Opium and cocaine are probably not the way you want to go, LOL !
( some old school Jows use them).

Sifu Dugas,

Thanks for your timely reply. By “not” using..I guess that is relative. I’ve read for instance that some herbal formulas (can’t remember if it was Jow specifically or an herbal remedy applied topically for other purposes) use mercury and arsenic. I guess a better way of putting is..what is the rationale of the schools of thought in AOM which are embracing of the more cautious side of certain remedies?(ie: don’t add scorpion because it could be too potent)

Of course, I guess the argument can be made that if you titrate the dose down low enough..you could really add just about anything that is “poisonous” to Jow. After all..don’t they use heroin in the U.K. medicinally?(by prescription).

SanjuRonin–LOL. So what would that be? Homeopathic coke/opium?