I’ve studied dim mak outside of wing chun and, having been on the receiving end, can vouch for it’s authenticity! I couldn’t possibly comment on the delayed effects of point striking, but following a chain of events (striking specific points in relation to the cycle of destruction - i.e. fire to wood to earth) has a MUCH greater impact than just striking random points. It’s easy to mock what you don’t understand…
(I’m not even going to go into the concept of no-touch knock outs!) :rolleyes:
I was just going over some dim mak charts and no matter how many times I read them, it totally blows me away the amount and level of personal destruction it can cause…there’s some seriously savage sht that you can reak on a person!!! I would never teach even one of those points to a person I wasn’t conviced was totally solid minded…acknowledge it not, but people who have this information can fck you now, later and on into old age from one freakin touch…it’s crazy sh*t but because of the whole qi, and balance (yin yang concept) there’ healing side to the art aswell…I diy dimmak heal myself and others often…for instance I just did some qi stimulation points after being sick as mofo for days and within the hr I felt like I could run a 5/10 km track???
It’s pretty expensive to learn and I don’t know many teachers …if you really want to find it you will and if you didn’t understand the value of not using whatever force you have available, once you know the damage it can cause..I’ve got a feeling you’d probably grow a concience…
cheers
Blooming lotus
Two questions
what drugs are you on?
Can I have some?
Re: Dim Mak?
Originally posted by Knifefighter
[B]Wing Chun has dim mak?
[/B]
William Cheung’s Traditional Wing Chun is the only linage from the great grandmaster Yip Man’s who has Dim Mak. Do anyone know anything about the other linages that are not from Yip Man?
Comments on above-
Not true.
I am not talking about esoteric stuff of empty force or hitting different points at different times of the day.
The body is full of strike points anyway. Dont need to learn from charts…though it doesnt hurt to know TCM analysis of healing and hurting areas. Superficial memorixzation of points doesnt help.
It is not easy to speak for all wing chun approaches.
Ip Man was superb. But he did not call himself great grandmaster.
Nick:
“What drugs are you on and can I have some”…
That was good !
yuanfen,
so which students of Yip Man has Dim Mak in their systems, except William Cheung?
Cause I read somewhere that Cheung said that he was the only one who learned the wing chun dim mak techniques from Yip Man.
Really!!!:o 
:rolleyes:
Please, correct me if I am wrong, because I very well could be, but Dim Mak is found in lots of systems. So, there are many similar Dim Mak techniques out there from many different styles and lineages of kung fu.
I must say I have experienced dim mak type techniques. I can’t be 100% what exactly it was, but I have felt queasy when touching hands with certain highly skilled people.
I’m not surprised…there are points all throughout your hands…but chin na more than dim mak has more focus on these…
alot of styles use chi interuption in conjunction with pysiological factors to cause and or heal damage…meridians combined with yang aspects are not exclusive to dim mak
Originally posted by yuanfen
Really!!!:o:rolleyes:
Since you seem to know so much about wing chun, why don’t you answer my two previous questions?
The only logical conclusion based on what a I know about Cheung, TWC and the rest of the Yip Man family tree is that it is not likely that there is dim mak in the wing chun system. I could be wrong.
Have I claimed to “know so much”? I hope that you are not being sarcastic, hard to tell in net posts.
In any case with benegit of the doubt-
I indirectly did answer “yes” to your question as to whether others besides Cheung sifu has dim mak in their system.. I am not in TWC so I do not know the details of dim mak in TWC.
One of the things that often happens- is folks overgeneralizing about wing chun usages or the state of things in the art. I try to avoid that.
Assuming that you are talking about “contact” dim mak and point hitting- imo—good
development of biu jee skills can lead to dim mak, chinna and some other good things as well. It is not a cerebral question-just good
gong fu development takes place with regular correct practice. Beginners can damage themselves or be damaged and shouldnt worry about it.(a general-not a personal remark)
Ip Man made a copy of a dim mak work with illustrations. Ip Ching
has a copy. One copy disappeared. Approaches to dim mak vary
in families and TCMA styles. WC will use its own principles, southern mantis and eagle claw etc will use theirs etc.
Joy,
Interesting stuff. My sigung practices qigong. I have heard some weird things from his students and my sifu. Things like him wiffing the air right in front of you and making you weak and queasy, and even dropping a few people. I for one, have never experienced anything like that, but have experienced things similar in much smaller amounts.
Do you train qigong, or any other kind of internal art to develope internal energy joy?
Gangsterfist- I was referring to dim mak involving actual digital contact.
Of course control without touching is possible depending on context. I may choose to use the garlic cum turmeric cum black and red pepper spitball attack that I have been preparing for centuries<g>
I do depend on the forms for sufficient chi gong. Enough for fighting.
I have had a very good kundalini yoga instructor besides my wing chun sifu and have experimented with different chi gung and pranayama for additional understanding of health.
Of course if I geta severe cut I am going to a decent MD to get sewn up. But preventive medicine is the best medicine.
joy
I have practiced qigong before, but its tough to get that much out of sifu. He is apprehensive it seems about teaching it. I know postures and exercises, but nothing too specific. In due time I may get something more out of him.
I have the patience to wait.
I’ve been to a William Cheung dim mak seminar.
He showed us some points (which I’ve seen from non-WC sources also), but then went on to say that it’s basically useless for fighting due to the elusiveness of the points themselves in the chaos of combat, and the extremely taxing conditioning drills you need to do to be able to strike the points with sufficient power. You need to be able to do phoenix eye pushups before you consider trying to use the PE fist for Dim Mak.
Erle Montaigue (www.taijiworld.com) has a hige amount of dim mak info and makes some amazing (unbelievable, literally) claims. He annoyed two of the Gracies very badly once in some articles he wrote, and responded to their telephoned challenge not with Dim Mak, but with an axe, rocks, and the threat of sicking Australian immigration on them. Enough said, I think.
Originally posted by monkey man
[B]I’ve studied dim mak outside of wing chun and, having been on the receiving end, can vouch for it’s authenticity! I couldn’t possibly comment on the delayed effects of point striking, but following a chain of events (striking specific points in relation to the cycle of destruction - i.e. fire to wood to earth) has a MUCH greater impact than just striking random points. It’s easy to mock what you don’t understand…
(I’m not even going to go into the concept of no-touch knock outs!) :rolleyes: [/B]
Please dont, I’ll feel like I’m at a Dilman seminar
Some considered opinions—each to his own—
Use of Dim mak in some wc is quite different from Dillman, Clarke,
approaches and certainly from “empty force” (distance dim mak)nonsense.
True… that “intellection” regarding specific points is practically useless -it’s like a phlebotomist seeking a lab sample by trying to insert a needle on a fleeing patient. But even a wrongly inserted needle can hurt you.
However the body is loaded with points and they are interconnected. Very very close quarters work requires both
“short” explosive power development and tactile sensitivity and and appropriate close quarters mobility.
Phoenix eye work imo does not need knuckle push ups- pushups can create imo-the wrong kind of tension.
I gave up on the military pushups years ago on purpose. Experientially- the pushup and a wc char kuen seems to engage the muscles in quite different ways.
Top quality southern mantis work also uses similar principles but from a different structure and platform… and involves craftsmanship rather than mass production in organizations.
yuanfen/joy
“Craftsmanship rather than mass production in organizations”???
Please…the empty cliches are really starting to become painful to read.
There is a very practical and logical reason for the phoenix-eye knuckle pushups…they strengthen the very parts of the fingers/hands/joints that one will be using to deliver the strikes.
Remember - these are not muscles…fingers and knuckles can be injured easily if not prepared and strengthened for such strikes.
The pushups (as well as other drills) can can do just that.
Victor- its ok to ignore what looks like empty cliches.
It’s in the details.
We just have quite different perspectives on a lot of things.
On the net- one person’s cliches can be someone else’s substance and vice versa. No big deal.
I quit commenting on supplementing wing chun gaps with catch wrestling sometime ago. BTW I have great respect for Gotch- both of them.