I was talking to this Kung Fu practioner today and he mentioned that Dim Mak takes 3 life times to learn. One life time to learn the anatomy of the body, another to learn the strikes, and the final to be able to use it effectively in combat.
He also said it was one of the hardest styles to learn but also is the most effective.
Since you guys are experts in Kung Fu, what do you think?
Dim Mak, dim sum, this is kids play. Better to learn kong jin(empty force) you wont have to touch the opponent to throw or strike them.
I think he was speaking figuratively and metaphorically.
Anantomy definitely will not take you a lifetime to learn. Nor will a “system” of strikes and using it effectively will only be determined in the moment of experience.
This can all be achieved in less than a single lifetime, or the duration of a single lifetime.
The quote “3 lifetimes to learn all” is related to the Kung Fu systems that were accumulated at the shaolin temple over a period spanning greater than a thousand years.
hundreds of styles, hundreds of exercises, thousands of forms. Indeed, all logic points to the fact that it would be impossible for any human given their relatively short lifespan in comparison to the needed hours of study to know all these things that require x amount of time to learn each.
Dim Mak is only one thing. But those who do learn some of the methodologies and finer points definitely have spent a long time getting fundamental knowledge of a style before being introduced to the theories and concepts behind it.
peace
Kung Lek
Has someone seen an expert?! :eek:
I completely agree with that last point Kung Lek made, but I’ll put it another way.
The trick to learning dim mak for application is not to learn it in theory, but to learn it implicitly by studying forms that contain it. Taiji’s pauchui, for instance, contains tonnes of dim mak that you can’t help but practice if your postures are correct. In other words, you learn your techniques and then the dim mak, you don’t try to learn points and then devise ways to hit them.
Can somebody please explain the proper meaning and applications of Dim Mak to me?
I’ve only seen it in “Bloodsport” when JCVDamme breaks the bottom brick after slapping the top one. - if that’s accurate? and possible?
If something takes 3 life times you must be really stupid to even try…
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
I am Sharky’s main man…
I dont know man, enlightment takes more than 3 lifes generally. And its not a stupid thing, you know.
“You will never need to feel weak, helpless, indecisive, not fascinating or ashamed of your genital dimensions. GOOD-BYE Humiliation. Bullies, Karate Experts, Boxing Champions, traffic wardens will melt to pulp as you master every situation.”
Master Deltoo
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Stadium/2477/
Dim-mak
Dim-Mak (death touch, or death point striking) is reffering to striking to pressure points along the accupucture meridians (of course there are "extra and new points"to create a desired effect, ranging from vomiting, to headaches, to KO , and of course resulting in death :eek: .
Some believe that you can utilize Qi to adversely effect the points to a higher degree than just the basic phsyiological reaction.For EX.- You can use the root, and draw power from the ground through the bubbling well/spring point. known by meridian designation of Kidney 1. (see my point diagram charts on my website for exact location)
All in all “Dim-Mak” works very well, even if one is not versed in internal methods. But a general prerequisite is you must know HOW TO FIGHT WITHOUT IT. It cannot be learnt in and of itself for defence.
Hope that helps,
Gary
“Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong”-Dennis Miller
www.pressurepointfighting.com
baseball my friend…If that was true then no one could have ever declared they have reached enlightenment durring their life on earth…
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
I am Sharky’s main man…
They say “three lifetimes” just to get the point across that it takes a long time to master and you just can’t get around that. Dim-Mak includes more than just killing points. It also includes other things like healing points, massage, qi disruption, meridian massage (the opposite of qi disruption), etc. There are so many things to learn that most don’t even want to try. And the thing is that, no matter how long you’ve been learning, there’s always something new to learn, so you never stop learning.
I went through the applications for the first qi disruption form (Penetration Form) with my main student yesterday, showing him how each move can be used to penetrate an on guard stance or attack to get in and strike and dominate, and struck him very lightly on the back of his neck at the base…and I nearly knocked him out. It was completely accidental, and I hit very lightly. What I realized was that if this strike works well with little pressure and without having the disruption done, then with the disruption it is pretty damn nasty. And I only got to the forceful neck grab part when I struck him, not even the main strike for the method. Also, I realized that that method of gaining entrance is from the 10th of the 12 Circular Palm Strikes from Taiji, though I never realized until yesterday that it could be used as a strike in and of itself. I also learned to be very careful.
Gary pretty much nailed it. Just FYI, Dim-Mak is not a style. It is a subset of certain styles, most notably, the Taoist arts such as Taijiquan, Xing Yi Quan, and Baguazhang. Over time, other arts have adopted certain portions of the knowledge of it as well.
Perhaps it might help to think of it this way: in China, if a sick person went to a Traditional Chinese Medicine doctor, he/she would be diagnosed as to imbalances in the body’s various meridians. Then, acupuncture, acupressure, tui na, an mo, herbs, diet and qigong might all be prescribed to help correct any imbalance. By contrast, in Dim-Mak, one seeks to CAUSE an imbalance in one or more of these meridians as well as execute a strike for mechanical damage.
Interesting Sam/My Qi disruption experiance…
Sam,
Im sure you have done Wudang kata 9? A local instructor in goju (Gayland J.-he moved away about a year ago) was a big Erle enthusiast. He was persistant about me trying out the qi disruptions on him.
I did the one from number nine on him twice in a row, because he didnt feel any drainage the first time, probably because I used NO follow up strike EVER. He felt a bit drained after the second one, but it was subtle, and I thought he may just be humoring me so as not to hurt my feelings.
What I had forgotten was the disruption lasts around 3 days. 2 days later he phoned and begged me to come over and do the "fix it" points. He said he had no energy, and could not even get out of bed the first day. In disbelief I went over and did the points Erle has said would be a remidy. He started to feel a bit better, and phoned again the next day to say he was fine.
Before this I was not totally convinced in the Qi-disruptions, and even less convined it was within my power to do them. I know better now, so I try not to mess around with them much.
Later,
Gary
“Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong”-Dennis Miller
www.pressurepointfighting.com
The thing is when you become enlightened you remember all your past lifes.
“You will never need to feel weak, helpless, indecisive, not fascinating or ashamed of your genital dimensions. GOOD-BYE Humiliation. Bullies, Karate Experts, Boxing Champions, traffic wardens will melt to pulp as you master every situation.”
Master Deltoo
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Stadium/2477/
Today the same guy started talking about takedowns. He explained to me how effective this one particular technique was. Basically he’d grab your heel while driving his forearm in slightly above the knee. I told him that would never work on a wrestler and he replied that it would if you had the timing right.
I then cooperatively let him apply the technique and I went down. He showed me it again but this time I just simply cross faced him. That frustrated him so he says, “I’d just strike your thigh with my forearm and break your leg.” I told him to try it but he refused stating that it was too dangerous.
What do you guys think? Is this guy full of **** or are his techniques really that dangerous?
x~That is incredible…
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
I am Sharky’s main man…
If you cross-faced him successfully, he would not be in a mechanical position to break your leg. In addition, he’d have to deal with all of your follow-up strikes and/or the fact that you’d basically sprawled him and are quickly going to take his back.
All in all, Mr. Plunkett, this has been a very effective troll. Nice and subtle, to an extent. Plus, it’s allowed some of us to practice some of our pat speeches as well. 
Fighting can be like comedy in many situations, it’s all in the timing. and sometimes no laughing matter.
a learning environment is not a fighting environment although you can learn from a fight if you recognize what is happening and what has happened.
demonstration in a learning environment neither proves nor disproves the effectiveness of a motion, it merely points it out and is drilled so that it will be effective in a fighting situation.
confusion of either can get you hurt in both environments.
when you fight, fight like the devil with all the tools you have in your arsenal, be merciful and use only what is required to achieve your objective.
your objective should be the retention of your own well bein without forfeiting to much of the well being of your opponent.
sometimes fights get dirty, so fight dirty. Restraint and the ability to control the situation without bringing to much harm to yourself or your opponent is the hallmark of good skill.
peace
Kung Lek
Dont worry about Dim Mak its pretty much to hard to use realistically. I mean has any one actually seen pressure points work in sparring/fighting??
Who are you on the underground?
There are better ways to troll this board.You suck.
When you’r telling one of your little stories, here’s a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.