DFW! OK! TX! LA! Attention!

If you haven’t already heard…there’s an amateur MMA event being held on April 27th, in Balch Springs, Texas. There will be ten fights total at this event, and a few demonstrations. We have fighters from the following systems:
Muay Thai
Submission Wrestling
Shotokan Karate
Brazilian JJ
Shorin Ryu
Greco Roman Wrestling
Kung Fu
Baek Ho Kwan (White Tiger)
Tae Kwon Do
Freestyle

All fighting each other! Limited rules, lots of action. Well worth the trip. Balch Springs is immediately to the east of Dallas, so it’s very close to the metroplex. KFO people are coming from Midland and Austin. For more info check the web site www.geocities.com/tushkaitishe or email me.

What kung fu styles are in

i guess the White Tiger… Bak Fu Kuen? Bei Hu Quan?

david

styles

the white tiger listed is i believe a mix of korean and japanese styles founded by a guy from houston area. he stopped by our school out here when he was on vacation or something a while back. i think the name of the style is korean for white tiger gym or something. not related to our kung fu style, but still a nice guy.

ok thanks. i thought it was just bad romanization :smiley:

david

Actually, the White Tiger is Baek Ho Kwan (Korean for gym of the White Tiger). My system. It will be on display three times at this event.

I’m not sure exactly what system of Kung Fu these fighters are. They are out of the Weapons At Hand school in Corpus Cristi. The instructor is Stay Jorgensson. I’ve talked to him on the phone once and emailed him several times. He’s very down to earth and sounds like he knows the score. I’m looking forward to working with him.

We may also have a Wing Tsun Demo. The assistant ref is a Wing Tsun Technician, as is one of the judges.

See you guys there.

well, speak of the devil :wink:

it’s the man himself starting the post. sounds like a great event, wish i could make it. best of luck, and it was nice meeting you when you came by the school.

D

Actually…It wasn’t me. There are several of us out there using the name White Tiger. I generally use Baek Ho Kwan or White Tiger Fighting Arts to distinguish what we do. Though we also use Korean and some Japanese, we also borrow (steal) from Chinse, Phillipino and Brazilian arts as well. I’m a shameless burglar when I find good info. But hey, I’m also a pretty nice guy…I think. Wish you could make it though.

“A good instructor is also a good thief.” Jhoon Rhee making reference to an instructor’s ablility to see the value in all arts and being open enough to change and improve.

Great news! David Lesser, a Wing Tsun instructor from Midland will be presenting a demonstration at the event as well. Anyone from KFO coming?

I cant seem to access the page.
Can you cut & paste the info?

Thanks!
Badger

Let me try to post it one more time:

www.geocities.com/tushkaitishe

Did that one work for you?

Badger, did that help?

C. Martin, I have a question concerning this proposed “Women’s Division”. First, the link to the info doesn’t work, please fix it. Second, am I reading this correctly - you are going to restrict women to a segregated division, regardless of their ability?

From what I’m reading, if I show up to your little party, I won’t be allowed to fight in the Semi-Pro division regardless of my combat ability, correct? I’ll be stuck fighting the one or two other girls who may or may not show up, yes?

What’s the problem with letting women fight in exactly the same manner as the men? If they lose, they lose, that’s a part of learning and improving. If they win, they win, give them their due. If they don’t want to get in the ring with a guy (or vice versa) that’s totally their prerogative. What’s with the segregation?

Jasbourne…

I’m somewhat confused by your question, but first, thanks for letting me know that link to the women’s division isn’t working.

Is your contention is that I am dicriminating against women for not allowing them to fight the men? Women’s matches, none of which are scheduled for this event due to a lack of interest, are conducted with exactly the same rules as the men’s. If you are proposing that I allow women to fight in the same division as the men, I can not in good concious entertain that notion. If ever approached by a women who insisted on fighting a male fighter, I’d have to approach the male fighters to see who would be willing. Several problems arise, in this order of importance:

  1. What man would want to take a full contact match against a woman of similar size and skill who isn’t a sadist or wife beater?
  2. If a man did take the match, and he didn’t meet the above qualifications, would he be able to give it his all, or would he be holding back out of a Victorian sense of honor?
  3. On the very remote chance that a female of similar weight and experience could get a man to fight her, why on earth would he take the slim chance that she may actually beat him? The female fighter has nothing to loose, as the logic will be, “Oh, it’s ok, she lost to a guy.”

However, if you are interested in fighting in the “party” I’m hosting, and you want to fight in the same division as the men, I’ll be more than happy to find you opponent of the same weight and experience. If you should choose to take a match, you will have to sign the same waiver as the men, and your opponent will show you no quarter. This is a combative sport. Can you think of another heavy contact sport where men and women compete against each other? This would not include point sparring.

However, if you are interested in fighting in the “party” I’m hosting, and you want to fight in the same division as the men, I’ll be more than happy to find you opponent of the same weight and experience. If you should choose to take a match, you will have to sign the same waiver as the men, and your opponent will show you no quarter. This is a combative sport. Can you think of another heavy contact sport where men and women compete against each other? This would not include point sparring.

I realize that very few women study martial arts for its combat applications, but some do, and they are quite exquisitely aware of what they face in the arena. That’s really the bottom line, and I’m glad to hear that should I choose to participate I would be afforded exactly the same chance to do so that anyone else would have. That’s what I wanted to know, thank you for clarifying.

As to the rest of the considerations, will all due respect, that’s bullsh!t on a stick, buddy. Anyone who wants me to hold myself back because some boy’s feelings might be hurt if I’m better than him can bite me. Move on up to the 21st century, ok? We have indoor plumbing and everything now :stuck_out_tongue:

Really now Jas, accept the reality of the situation…it will never happen. Women will not compete with men in combative sports. Why you ask? It’s not reasonable or fair I say. You may get you feelings hurt by my suggestion that most men would not allow themselves to fight all out against a women, nor may you agree with the fact that men (especially trained fighters) are almost always physically stronger than women of the same weight and would dominate a female opponent, but that’s just how it is. Your idealism is touching, but misplaced. Why do you think we have women’s tennis, the WNBA, Women’s Soccer, Women’s Bowling, hell, they don’t even pit men against women in Golf and Pool! Call it discrimination if you like, most men and women would call it equal opportunity, under similar circumstances.

Unbelievable. Utterly unbelievable.

There are no adequate epithets to convey my complete disgust with you. You have managed to embody every cliche of classic knuckle-dragging sexism in your posts. Have you nary a single original thought?

Since when has a combatant’s pride been a deciding factor in a match? “I’m so sorry, Mr. Shamrock, but you will not be allowed to fight Mr. Gracie, as his ego may be severely wounded should you happen by some miracle to win.” Your rationale is that women will be defacto excluded because your big tuff hombres would lose face. I would think that trained fighters would not allow themselves to be handicapped by their irrational fears.

You know nothing about me or my abilities, and yet you feel qualified to judge me before even knowing me. I train in an all-male school that is neither performance nor sport focused, but combat oriented. We do not ‘point spar’, we fight. It is highly likely that given our focus, we routinely train much more savagely that many of the little tender, emotionally fragile boys that will be attending this testosterone-worship fest. I have earned my level of competence, sir.

Without knowing a single thing about me, you dismiss me as a fighter. Without giving me a chance to prove myself in any way, shape or form, you in one stroke wipe out all my hard work, dedication, talent, and ability. You perpetuate harmful myths with your attitudes, and hold back talented fighters of both genders, and you insinuate that my kwoon brothers “take it easy” on me. They might have something to say about that.

On top of having been born a female, I am also hispanic, a veteran, a corporate executive, and have been known to vote democrat. Any other pre-judgements you would like to make, since we are unlikely to ever meet face to face? Perhaps some of your fighters would be uncomfortable stepping into the ring with a wet.back, better not let people like me in, you know, we all carry switchblades and we’ll jump you in da parkinlot and cut chu, mon…

Enjoy your homegrown fightclub fantasy matches. You are correct, you will not see women there, because you do not want women there - it is clearly not about true martial arts combat ability, but about male-to-male hom0erotic competition and bonding. In the front of your mind, you will continue to feel that your view is correct, because no women show up begging to be given an equal chance when there is a big “no girls allowed!” sign on the treehouse.

You will use that circular logic to justify your continued exclusion of good fighters. But somewhere in the back of your brain, you will always know that this is an artificial reality. I truly have no problem if you want to have a boys-only fightclub, but have the balls to call it what it is, instead spouting all that “boys are scared to fight girls, therefore it wouldn’t be fair to the boys” garbage, ok? Making someone responsible for the emotional wellbeing of another is ludicrous. Penalizing them for that is criminal.

Should we ever meet on the street, Mr. Martin, I pray that you dismiss me in as equally a cavalier manner as you have today. You will make my path to victory short and sweet by underestimating an opponent so blindly.

that sux :(…Go Jas! (my support for a fellow wing chunner :))

david

Hmmm I cant let you talk like this Jas. I know I am biased since I am a student of C. Martin’s. But i need to set the recort straight on a bit of this.

For one, it is very hard to have conversations like this over a forum since things are often misconstrued and taken out of context.

Please do not turn this into a racism thing with your coments about being hispanic. Raacism has nothing to do with this. But just to let you know, Obviously you know C. Martin is white since he has had his picture on the Tushka website and since you made the assumptions that he thinks hispanics are *******, knifeweilding, violent, criminals as you called yourself. Let it be known that C. Martin is the most unracest person I know. For one, we, I am also white, are very outnumbered by hispanics in our Midland school where Mr. Mar tin instructs. If you look at the pictures from the last fighting tournament, you will see that all the pictues of his students fighting are hispanic. So obviously he does not think that his fighters would be uncomfortable stepping into the ring with you or any other person of a different background or culture.

Since you are being very defensive about being a woman I have some things to say to that. I am a woman student of Mr. Martins and have been for quite a few years. Yes, I now live out of Midland but I go home often and he always welcomes me into class. For the majority of the time I have been a student I have been the only female. I have never been discriminated against or held back because I was a girl. I fight the same as all the “boys” and am required to excell at the same level. In fact, in class when we practice sparring and drills… I actually get to work with the men contrary to what you may think. Being a female and seeing the group of men that I work out with I would never want to be in a ring with them in a full contact setting. In class, if we do not feel comfortable fighting full contact then we do not. Mr. Martin gives us that choice and rightly so. I have never fought (Sp?) full contact because I do not feel I am ready where I am at now. It is one of my goals but I would never want to step into the ring with a man. Maybe the caliber of men at my school is very rare. They are all excellent. I know I would die if i stepped into the ring with them. THey are all much stronger than I am and more aggressive, I feel by nature most of the time.

I know that it has been scientifically proven that men are physicaly different than women are. For example, I am a swimmer and have been all of my life. Men and women do not compete against each other because men would always win. The mens records are seconds faster than all of the womens. and seconds are a very very long time in swimming. Nanoseconds are a long time in fact. Men’s muscles are different and they way they use and store energy is different. I can only speak for the men i train with in our school, but if you think you would like to step up against any of them men in our school, I hope you are as good as you portray yourself to be. Because they are all very good and very skilled. They have been taught by an incredible martial artist and have skills that I feel are unusualy phenominal in caliber.

Please do not be offended. Mr. Martin did say that if you showed up and insisted that you could fight against the men. Obviously he would need to clear it with them first just like he clears all fights. If someone wants to fight then gets someone they feel uncomfortable fighting they can forfeit the match or step down in advance, as has happened before between man to man combat. He is being fair, and I feel you are being unfair. Women and men are not equal and if you think they are, then you will be disapointed a lot in your lifetime.

oops the stars up there blocking out a word block out the word wet back. i was just quoting jas and i didn’t know that it would take out the word. Didn’t want to offend anyone, just quoting a word from jas.