Mua Thai Round House kicks are very powerful. How can you deal with them? Do you block with your arms, legs, step away, in ?
Re: Defense against Mua Thai Round House
Originally posted by marcelino31
Mua Thai Round House kicks are very powerful. How can you deal with them? Do you block with your arms, legs, step away, in ?
Why get distract with the Roung house kick? don’t stand there to take kicks.
guard yourself and walk close into his body and attack his center but watched out for his elbow and knees while walk in.
If WCK cannot pennatrating the three gates, from wrist to shoulder.. and destroy the Zee Moo. but only fight in the range of fore arm. then, WCK cannot defeat Mua Thai because there is not enought of degree of freedom in just the range of fore arm…
But WCK can pennatrating the three gates with one shot.
so fight him in the close range and disorve his elbow…
He does his and you does yours.
IMHO
I have seen some people advocate using techniques like double gan sao or quan sao to deal with mid to high level round house and for lower round house to just kick at the opponent round leg in the knee area. Also some people, like you, mentioned when they see the round house kick coming they just step in maybe using po pai jeung etc. all this with proper timing of course..
True you should never be there waiting for it to happen but Round house kick is very powerful and Im looking for wing chun responses or counters to this movement.
Swallow spit/footwork
Move body out of torque curve, as soon as it passes you unload. If your too close you can shield and kick rear leg. Muay Thai kicks are pretty powerful. I see people try to attempt to fight a MT guy front to front. MT is powerful in the “front” so why would you face him especialy if theyre conditioned to take a beating. You see how they fight you know theres a pause while they rotate back to position use that to your advantage. Slice the pie. MT guys can take a beating!. So you better have “finishers” ready. take down, bam, bam, choke, break or something.
peace
Interesting concept Grinding Hands! Ok assuming you have but no choice how would you best meet the round house would you apply a technique while moving into it or stepping away from it to absorb it
Also about the torque curve. The further out you block a kick from its axis of rotation the more power you have to deal with. So the closer your block is to the turning axis point the less power for you. Similarly Stopping a kick before it begins its journey means less power to deal with but once a kick is in motion and accelerates to its power point you have most power to deal with at impact. So what are the rules and strategies for swallowing, or better yet using the power of the kick and returning it back to your opponent.
Originally posted by marcelino31
I have seen some people advocate using techniques like double gan sao or quan sao to deal with mid to high level round house and for lower round house to just kick at the opponent round leg in the knee area.
Gan sao or quan sao against a roundhouse kick? You’ll only do it once. Afterward, you’ll be lucky to get use of your arms back.
Swallow spit/footwork
I would more like ARC. Your gonna kind of do both. Your circling to diffuse the torque and coming in his quarter face angle then jamming. Sometimes that dont work. Its all based your sensitivity. Most of the time people dont have muay thai power. So if im in range for a roundhouse I brace up with knee up and arms on guard and absorb then kick or knee the groin or opposing leg. This is all done while Ramming and checking his arms or leg. It would be best to take down because if done correctly their balance wasnt regained. I just dont think this is best for a true Muay Thai rounder though. They are a different breed of fighter.
Originally posted by Alpha Dog
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Gan sao or quan sao against a roundhouse kick? You’ll only do it once. Afterward, you’ll be lucky to get use of your arms back. [/B]
You are correct on this Alpha Dog. There is a story of some of Yip Mans’ students competing in fights against MU thai And those that did the gan’s got their arms broken!
So what are some good ways for dealing with both low and high round kicks?
I have never been in such a situation and hope to avoid it. But I would probably try to get inside and take the thigh’s weight against my shoulders – wouldn’t be as much impact.
Again, I have never tried this – anyone?
The other thing I have noticed is that the most common round house and also the most powerful one comes from the back leg.
So as you mentioned perhaps there is some way you can position or align yourself in relation to your opponent to nullify him from round kicking you. Also the idea of catching the kick at your shoulder sounds interesting. But if a kick is coming towards your head travelling in an arc from the bottom upwards then you will need to have very good timing to intercept the kick at your shoulder before it reaches your head.
Oh swallowing
Its easier to move out of low kicks. But they are decieveing and more dangerous. Shielding and then kicking the groin is good but its all about how much you can take. Maybe moving a little with it while shielding.
How do you feel about intercepting/jamming a round house kick by just simply kicking the round house kick above the knee area with say a front kick and doing this before the kick has reached its full extension?
Originally posted by Alpha Dog
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Gan sao or quan sao against a roundhouse kick? You’ll only do it once. Afterward, you’ll be lucky to get use of your arms back. [/B]
Hmm this is something i train to do. Some things about it to bear in mind are
- Never try and meet the shin. You either need to be close enough to get the thigh or you need to have gotten the hell out of there.
- don't intercept into the direct angle of force, but intercept into he body of the kicker, think of doing shueng gahn on the dummy.
- you need to have a stable, but alive base when doing this, if the kick is too strong you may have to adjust your feet in order to disolve the power of the kick.
- Finally, the kick gains power thru the range of motion to a point of maximum power, then loses power rapidly, don't try to meet it at its maximum power, either inercept the thigh before it hits the top of the curve, or move away and stop it after it has reached its apex.
One more thing is that this is only used for raher high roundhouse kicks, anything aimed below the waist gets a leg response, either bong gerk, tan gerk or a stop kick to the supporting leg/hip.
against a thai guy, ite easier to keep your weight 80/20, most on the rear leg, use your rear leg to spring forward with a front kick to his center, thais also use this(foot jab). it will beat him to the punch, and you keep going forward after you hit him.
Alphadog
Gan sao or quan sao against a roundhouse kick? You’ll only do it once. Afterward, you’ll be lucky to get use of your arms back.
A kwan sau CAN be effectively used agianist Muay Thai kick. I train with Muay Thai guys at my school. Of course you don’t just stand there and absorb the blow. You must use footwork. A proper kwan sau will spread the impact of a round kick. I wouldn’t use a “double” gan against at round kick though.
Phil
I stand corrected then Phil.
If I am ever down your way I’d like to come by and see that.
Quan sao
I tested this out against a friend with muy thai experience, he is extremely muscular and fast martial artist. He gave me a kick at about 40% of full power, I just stood there and put my arms in quan sao position. I was amazed that it really felt like nothing, that the force was transferred through my arms. He had done the same kick to some other’s shoulders and knocked the wind out of them. I realize that in application, you want to be cutting them off before they reach full power, or else moving away from the path of the kick. I was just testing it out. I was happy with how it works. However, this only works against middle-height kicks since the kick cuts downward. It could break your gan sao arm if you try that. I am interested, however if anyone’s tried a double tan sao against a high hard round kick? I would think that would be pretty effective. Most of the time sparring, however, if someone caught me with a high round kick it would be because they had me expecting a middle-height kick and managed to get the kick over my guard.
I don’t see why a Kwan Sao can’t work, or even better a tseung bong with kick to the rear knee. My instructor throws that one all the time! Have you seen the way we block roundkicks to the head in MT? Straight across the forearms with a small pivot of the waist into the angle of the kick.
IMO Kwan sao is a better and stronger structure than that. Some of the guys I do WC with are currently studying MT or are ex MT’ers (like me) so we are always trying to kick the sh!t out of each other in a friendly manner. If it works against a guy who is 6’5 and 115kg I think it’s fairly safe to say it works on anyone 
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But it is best to take out the supporting leg as soon as possible. Next best is kicking the attacking leg as soon as possible. Then stepping inside the range of the kick, then blocking, etc.
I know what works for me;) , whatever works for you
Fa-jing,
the kwan sau we use works against high roundhouse kicks. Here is a picture.
TWC Kwan Sau
For a mid level round kick we can use a supported gan sau.
Remember the TWC gan sau uses the fleshy part of the arm and not the bone. Here’s a picture. The picture is very basic and doesn’t show the footwork needed.
TWC mid level block
Phil
Phil- I saw the pics- dont know your footwork.
Be careful---- powerful kicks can break hands-
if anything- including timing is off.