so how do you guys defend against a low thai roundhouse kick without really hurting your shins?
are there any video clips of how WC/WT etc demonstrating how to deal with roundhouse kick?
i think invariably theres a lot of damage thats going to be done to your shins if you practice wing chun more advanced than the playing hands of chi sau that most people do.
the stances used in wing chun, especially when rushing or charging in - just look at the knife form footwork - lend themselves to bringing a pounding to your shins.
for high level wing chun, i think a bit of shin conditioning is in order. theres probably not much you can do to avoid it. especially since taking just a simple shin vs shin blow, even with minimum contact, can be rather incapacitating due to the nerves and pain involved.
Re: defending against thai roundhouse kick?
Hi ironmonk,
Wing Chun has many techniques to deal with roundhouse kicks. Take a look at our website’s gallery for the PanYu Training Camp pictures as well as our techniques section for some daily drills we practice for applying Wing Chun techniques against Kicks. I hope this might give you a better idea.
/marcus
Originally posted by IRONMONK
[B]so how do you guys defend against a low thai roundhouse kick without really hurting your shins?
are there any video clips of how WC/WT etc demonstrating how to deal with roundhouse kick? [/B]
Ironmonk
If you use the Yang side of the shin you will be a lot safer then using the flat shin bone itself when covering low kicks.
I know this is not the answer you are looking for, but perhaps stick to them enough and crowd their leg so they can’t kick you (chi girk).
I would use Jeet (intercepting) and Chueng Gerk if at all possible. Blocking with the shin is like blocking a punch, not what I want to do but a necessity some times.
Try intercepting with the front foot into the thigh or hip. Execute the kick hard enough to break your opponents structure and disrupt the energy of his kick. Then follow through vigorously.
David
3 drills for practicing roundhouse defense
Hi guys,
Here are 3 drills you should take a look at. Click on the triangular icons to navigate thru the techniques.
Enjoy … marcus
Re: Ironmonk
Hi Phil,
That sounds intersting. I don’t know what the yang side of the calf is. Do you have a video-clip you could share? If not, can you describe it in more detail?
thanks… marcus
Originally posted by Phil Redmond
If you use the Yang side of the shin you will be a lot safer then using the flat shin bone itself when covering low kicks.
Hi Marcus,
I was refering to raising the leg and blocking with the Yang (outer) side of the lower leg. This way you don’t have direct contact the shin bone. TWC teaches no bone to bone contact even when using the arms.
Ironmonk asks:defending against thai roundhouse kick?
so how do you guys defend against a low thai roundhouse kick without really hurting your shins?
Timing. Not to wait for the guy to load his kick.
We tend to use a straight low heel kick that comes up under the shin of the roundkick, and then once contact is made pivot towards the direction of the kick.
This has the exceptionally painful (for me anyway) effect of “splitting open” the opponent’s hips at the pelvis, and the harder the kick comes the more it hurts. It also destroys the kicker’s balance and allows for the low heel kick to change into a stamp kick on the supporting knee.
Nice and simple, Wing Chun style 
Timing. Not to wait for the guy to load his kick.
If only this always worked in reality…
Originally posted by EmptyCup
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If only this always worked in reality… [/B]
Of course in reality, nothing always works.
Regards,
- Kathy Jo
I have heard several sifus say rush in, counter kick, or sidestep when your opponet’s kick is being chambered. So when you see them start to chamber their kick that is the time to act. I have heard it from TKD teachers, karate, kung fu, etc. It is a good practical answer for a round kick, and a lot of systems say use it. Since a round kick comes in at an angle (its not a straight line attack) it does give some time to act upon it. Now, some people may kick way faster than others so every experience will be different. Its also not your only answer either. Reading your opponet is something that will only come with sparring experience. For a long time an over hand jab (like an inbetween hammer blow/jab) threw me off because it looked ridiculously funny to me. So, I would watch it come in and try something at the last moment. So go spar witht he tai boxer and eventually over time the both of you will be more keen to each other’s techniques. In wing chun we have the yo ming girk (sp?) or no shadow kick, which is suppose to mean non telegraphed attacks. Most of them come in a straight line (shortest distance). Typically train the harder first and the easier comes along with it. Training to counter, block, side step, etc faster attacks will train you to act upon the situation faster.
One thing I have experience as a wing chun practitioner is that it is hard to spar someone of a different style at first. Especially since I am so used to sparring fellow wing chunners. So perhaps start cross training to learn more (expand your combat training) or at least find some people to do some friendly sparring of different styles. Experience is a good aly to have.
Good luck in your training.
GF
kj
…which is why it struck me as an odd answer…the fact that that was the extent of it…
so what if you’re too close to evade?
what if it’s thrown after a combo?
if you never train methods to also block the kick the time your “timing’s” off you will be on the floor like a dropped log
Re: kj
Originally posted by EmptyCup
[B]…which is why it struck me as an odd answer…the fact that that was the extent of it…
so what if you’re too close to evade?
what if it’s thrown after a combo?
if you never train methods to also block the kick the time your “timing’s” off you will be on the floor like a dropped log [/B]
That is because fighting is not a concept, not an exact science, and there are no definate answers in combat. Some answers may be better than others. Train what is practical for you everyone’s body mechanics are different. If you can block it with your leg and absorb the blow from conditioning than do it, if that works for you.
You will never have the same fight twice.
good post but I think it misses where I’m coming from. An example would be you asking how one would deal with a punch to the face and somebody said “timing…step back out of punching distance” the guy who says that and says “well you could block it too if you’re too close to evade depends on the kind of punch really some are thrown too close, some are too fast without some form of parrying, etc” is being more realistic.
I just found the answer to be half of what there is that’s all…and unrealistic
Sometimes you have no choice but to take it and conditioning aside, certain techniques work better than others for a low round kick right?
Agreed there are many good answers to a low round kick. I know I have just lifted my leg that the person is attacking over theirs and stepped through the kick and swept them or just dodged it that way. Of course that is being nice when sparring, in real combat I would have stomped down on their knee.
So there are definately many answers. The one above has worked for me a few times in the past, but it may not work everytime against everyone I fight. But hey, thats how it goes. To you that may not be practical. Stepping in and gon sao’ing (or qwan sao) the upper thigh when it turns over to a round kick is another answer I have used as well. It has also worked for me a few times, and at the very least it usually softens the blow if the kick lands.
Those have worked for me and may not work for you. I have also used taiji foot work for incoming kicks as well.
One thing I have found useful when learning to take blows is slow sparring. Slow spar one of your sihings, siboks, sifu whatever. When you get hit roll the hit off your body by rotating your body. Eventually you will be able to roll off attacks at higher speeds. I know a few people who are so good at this, that when you do hit them they almost always roll it off. Which in return takes away the power of your attack.
Just some thoughts…
Use what is practical for you, and if you have doubt ask your sifu. I am sure he or she could give you many different answers.
Originally posted by yuanfen
[B]Ironmonk asks:defending against thai roundhouse kick?
so how do you guys defend against a low thai roundhouse kick without really hurting your shins?
Timing. Not to wait for the guy to load his kick. [/B]
The thai kick doesn’t load…
perhaps he meant “throw” as opposed to chamber? 