In a different direction than the other thread…
Let’s say your a kung fu guy, primarily a striker with some takedown ability. You manage to get yourself taken down, and are now on the receiving end of a “Ground and Pound”.
1 - What an you do to prevent this from happening?
2 - What do you do once you’re mounted and the fists / elbows start to fall?
Don’t let this happen to you!
That being said:
Attempt to tie up the hands; your opponent can’t drop bombs if they can’t move their arms.
And more importantly: disrupt the balance of your opponent and get the fvck out from mount.
[QUOTE=JJMantis;887323]In a different direction than the other thread…
Let’s say your a kung fu guy, primarily a striker with some takedown ability. You manage to get yourself taken down, and are now on the receiving end of a “Ground and Pound”.
1 - What an you do to prevent this from happening?
2 - What do you do once you’re mounted and the fists / elbows start to fall?[/QUOTE]
Cover your head and wait for an opportunity to pull the attacker into you. DO NOT reach up and try to grab his hands or block his punches. That’s what submission guys want you to do. If he postures up (sits up), he had more power to rain down blows and pick spots. Gable-grip around his head or waist and pull him down to you.
You also have to be active. If you sit there and hold him, he’s just going to wait until he breaks loose and continue to pound you. You should actively bridge and try to “shrimp” or shift your hips to create a gap between your bodies so you can start to work an escape. Bridging is also a good way to bring the guy down so you pull him into you.
If you are super awesome, you can bait the guy by feeding him your arm. Once he attempts an arm-bar, you can work a reverse. But I wouldn’t recommend this tactic unless you are pretty confident you can get out of the submission.
Control
To avoid the G & P you have to bring your opponents body close to yours and use your hips to buck them off of you. A good grappler wants you to either punch up at them, or try and grab their arm. This gives them the opportunity to grab your arm, and roll off into an arm bar.
Dang it MK you posted while I was typing. 
The GnP from the guard is also an issue.
Covering up is crucial, lead with the elbows so that the fists hit the sharp bones, but don’t left them too much or you expose your body.
Don’t close your eyes and remember to breathe.
Don’t Panic.
In training get yourself in the WORSE possible positions so you can learn to get out of them -
Learn to get out of a high mount and a low mount.
Learn to get out if you end up giving your back
Learn to get out if you are on your side
Learn to get out from the knee-on-stomach ( this can be even worse than the mount)
Learn to get out when you have him in close and he is raining elbows and head butts.
Etc, etc.
scribbles notes about avoiding those **** arm-bars
Arm bars are like my kryptonite. Mistakes like that may be part of the reason why. 
That being said:
I actually have GIVEN my back to people in some situations before… all the better to huck them over my shoulder onto the ground in front of me. In my experience this frequently stuns my opponent enough to get cross body.
The one time it happened from standing and the guy I was wrestling with was like 6 foot 4… he flew five feet, shoulder rolled through the ring of other students watching the match, and jumped up to his feet again.
It didn’t actually change the strategic positioning of the match at all but it was all kinds of awesome.
[QUOTE=SimonM;887341]I actually have GIVEN my back to people in some situations before… all the better to huck them over my shoulder onto the ground in front of me. In my experience this frequently stuns my opponent enough to get cross body.[/QUOTE] Maybe works on new guys, but I would really suggest most people not do this.
Fair enough. 
Don’t get taken down
When #1 fails, work on things to get you back up
When #2 fails, work it again (taken down 7 times, get up 8)
When all that fails, learn to get a closed guard with an overhook and neck time combination
From #4… work to get back up again
In order to understand how to swim, you have to get into water.
practice
practice where you are most uncomfortable
keep practicing
[QUOTE=JJMantis;887323]In a different direction than the other thread…[/quote]yet still moving forward of course.
Let’s say your a kung fu guy, primarily a striker with some takedown ability. You manage to get yourself taken down, and are now on the receiving end of a “Ground and Pound”.
practice just shifted gears.
1 - What an you do to prevent this from happening?
break the limbs, rend the muscle, manipulate the joints.
2 - What do you do once you’re mounted and the fists / elbows start to fall?
switch to reserved mode and unleash hëll… people tend to forget just how easy the skin and muscle tissues can be stripped from the bone.
Uki your post was about as informative as saying in baseball “hit the ball, run around the bases, get home”.
Followed by saying “people forget how easy it is to get a grand slam.”
Tell me: have you ever ripped uncooked flesh off of a person’s bones?
[QUOTE=SimonM;887324]Don’t let this happen to you!
That being said:
Attempt to tie up the hands; your opponent can’t drop bombs if they can’t move their arms.
And more importantly: disrupt the balance of your opponent and get the fvck out from mount.[/QUOTE]
To expand on number 2, you do this by bridging (lifting your hips) so he fals forward, losing his balance. There are a number of moves you can do then.
Fight instinct is all well and good, but I don’t think it’s enough in this case.
Having not ever been on the receiving end of the GnP I appreciate the responses here. I think training and experience here is key, something I admittedly don’t have in this particular case. Thing is unlike some people, I recognize that and will seek to remedy it, instead of relying solely on my ability to bite.
[QUOTE=JJMantis;887395]Fight instinct is all well and good, but I don’t think it’s enough in this case.
Having not ever been on the receiving end of the GnP I appreciate the responses here. I think training and experience here is key, something I admittedly don’t have in this particular case. Thing is unlike some people, I recognize that and will seek to remedy it, instead of relying solely on my ability to bite.[/QUOTE]
Next class, put on the head gear, your partner puts on the gloves and let him go to town on you, best way to do it.
[QUOTE=SimonM;887390]Uki your post was about as informative as saying in baseball “hit the ball, run around the bases, get home”.[/quote]didn’t realize there was that much more explaining to do… the concept is pretty simple.
Followed by saying “people forget how easy it is to get a grand slam.”
which is why hitting one is so darn exhilirating.
Tell me: have you ever ripped uncooked flesh off of a person’s bones?
sound intention does not require past experience.
sound intention does not require past experience
Actually, it does.
Without proper position ripping techneques will be hard to do. If we are taking about a good wrestler,not a average street fighting bum. He will be at an advantage for doing the ripping if he has superior position. So I think every kung fu person should at least learn the basic positions and exscapes from them.
You are assuming th Kung Fu person is dumb and has no clue about properly positioning themselves too.
The truth is that a good kung fu guy from a sound line has just as much positional skill as the wrestler. Since the wrestler does not train for defending common kung fu tactics, BUT he Kung Fu guy has plenty of in close take down and throwing to defend in his own art, in theory he should have the advantage over a pure wrestler just due to the well rounded and vastly more diverse skill set he possesses.
we are talking about Ground and pound so we are saying the guys already down and under the grappler right. that is what this topic is about?