[QUOTE=Hendrik;1238378]Wck use its momentum DNA to control. Since Wck is a female art. …[/QUOTE]
Other arts also use momentum as well. In the following clip at:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlqwoq_adam-hsu-baji-quan-vol-1_sport#.UdoaUxTn_L8
Sure .
different type of momentum.
Based on a different engine and Jin type.
A different type of art.
For Wck. One can learn all the tan bong…etc, but if know not the momentum, then one still not doing Wck.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1238383]Other arts also use momentum as well. In the following clip at:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlqwoq_adam-hsu-baji-quan-vol-1_sport#.UdoaUxTn_L8[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1238384]Sure .
different type of momentum.
Based on a different engine and Jin type.
A different type of art.
For Wck. One can learn all the tan bong…etc, but if know not the momentum, then one still not doing Wck.[/QUOTE]
So what’s the difference between WC momentum and Baji momentum?
p = mv,
where
p = momentum,
m = mass,
v = velocity,
which is just simple physics and has nothing to do with MA style difference.
Wck momentum is capture center guarding center, Baji does not do that.
Your physics equation is incomplete because momentum is a vector quantity , and capture center guarding center give the direction to make momentum vector quantify complete.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1238386]So what’s the difference between WC momentum and Baji momentum?
p = mv,
where
p = momentum,
m = mass,
v = velocity,
which is just simple physics and has nothing to do with MA style difference.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1238387]Wck momentum is capture center guarding center, Baji does not do that.
Your physics equation is incomplete because momentum is a vector quantity , and capture center guarding center give the direction to make momentum vector quantify complete.[/QUOTE]
Blah blah blah… isnt this thread on sparring?
Happy to turn it into “Hendriks Physics Lessons 101”?
Or “its 1850 or nothing!”?
Perhaps “Bong Sao… is yours DNA infused??”?
God, youre lost
[QUOTE=GlennR;1238389]Blah blah blah… isnt this thread on sparring?
Happy to turn it into “Hendriks Physics Lessons 101”?
Or “its 1850 or nothing!”?
Perhaps “Bong Sao… is yours DNA infused??”?
God, youre lost[/QUOTE]
I do not think he is lost. I think he has the agenda to spread the real wing chin as he sees it and this so consumes him that every topic morphs into that in his mind. He also displays classic signs of mental illness. Dealing with mentally ill people can be frustrating.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1238386]So what’s the difference between WC momentum and .[/QUOTE]
I would say that Wing Chun is like constantly driving a wedge into the center of the opponent. Occupy the center, keep the center, attack the center. Other systems don’t do that. As Hendrik has pointed out to me, SPM doesn’t do that.
[QUOTE=tc101;1238395]I do not think he is lost. I think he has the agenda to spread the real wing chin as he sees it and this so consumes him that every topic morphs into that in his mind. He also displays classic signs of mental illness. Dealing with mentally ill people can be frustrating.[/QUOTE]
Let me give you some friendly advice. Several years ago, I certainly didn’t see eye to eye with Hendrik and used to badger the hell out of him every time he posted. Believe me, he has improved considerably in his posting style since then! 
But I learned that it didn’t make much difference. It got my blood pressure up and occupied a lot of my time needlessly monitoring what he wrote. But it didn’t change Hendrik one bit. If you don’t like what he has to say, just ignore him. Don’t let him get you irritated.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1238378]That sparring is a tv broadcast over all china. It is touch sparring to show method of different style. But giving face as much as can.
I pick this clip to show how Wck using center guarding center momentum DNA is a superior momentum even under the hsing I cannon.
Imagine if it is spm or BM or hung gar Vesus hsing I, what will happen with those rooted structure. It will be a collision of who is stronger. But here, Wck use its momentum DNA to control. Since Wck is a female art.
It is missing the point to not look at the momentum but demanding hit hard…etc.
Those who has nuclear reaction experience don’t have to demand killing people to proof nuclear power. Demanding killing people but know not the nuclear science and technology shows one doesn’t know nuclear .
As you can see from the beginning, for tc101 , mma is Wck , Wck can freely define…[/QUOTE]
No mma is not wing chun to me and wing chin is not mma. I was remarking that the sparring was low level amaturish and explaining that this was because these guys had obviously at least to me never gone through a progressive sparring training regimen like boxers do to develop their sparring skill.
Please read my comments. I did not say they were not hitting hard enough. I said just the opposite. They are going too hard for their level. Sloppiness and bad form is the sign you are going too hard in your sparring. I said they should be using good form but going lightly.
For you this seems to be a good example of the wing chin approach to use momentum to control the center but it was presented as a good example of sparring and that is what I was commenting on. If those guys sparred with some people with developed sparring skills they would have been trounced and never been able to use their capture the centre momentum.
Wing chun cannot be defined but is easily recognizable. No doubt those guys were wing chun people I never said they were not. They were wing chin people who have never developed their sparring skill.
[QUOTE=KPM;1238397]Let me give you some friendly advice. Several years ago, I certainly didn’t see eye to eye with Hendrik and used to badger the hell out of him every time he posted. Believe me, he has improved considerably in his posting style since then! But I learned that it didn’t make much difference. It got my blood pressure up and occupied a lot of my time needlessly monitoring what he wrote. But it didn’t change Hendrik one bit. If you don’t like what he has to say, just ignore him. Don’t let him get you irritated.[/QUOTE]
He does not frustrate me I was offering that to others. Thank you though. I am used to dealing with the mentally ill so it is water off a duck. I do worry about the people who take him seriously though.
[QUOTE=KPM;1238396]I would say that Wing Chun is like constantly driving a wedge into the center of the opponent. Occupy the center, keep the center, attack the center. Other systems don’t do that. As Hendrik has pointed out to me, SPM doesn’t do that.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. Wing chin plan A is dominate the center.
[QUOTE=KPM;1238277]I don’t know who these guys are or what lineage they are from. Maybe someone who speaks Chinese can fill us in. Wing Chun facing various other styles in light glove-less sparring. Jerry sticks to his Wing Chun structure very well, Phillip not so much. Hendrik pointed this clip out to me. Particularly watch Jerry facing one of the Hsing I guys near the end of that section at the 6 minute mark. Jerry does a good job of “triangulating” right to the guys center, and keeping a relatively “unrooted” stance that allows him to be moved by the other guy without being overwhelmed, losing his structure and without losing contact with the opponent. This particular exchange is an example, to a small extent, of some of the things Hendrik has been talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxFsAaC4XK8[/QUOTE]
Just friendly sparring, nothing too good OR too bad about it per say.
I have always liked when guys from different systems get together and spar ( even when it is light sparring).
Its a good learning process for all involved.
[QUOTE=tc101;1238395]I do not think he is lost. I think he has the agenda to spread the real wing chin as he sees it and this so consumes him that every topic morphs into that in his mind.[/QUOTE]
To be fair to Hendrik, his recent posts have had a bit more clarity. For me, with that clarity I realize that much of what he talks about in his Wing Chun, is actually also in my Wing Tsun (and probably a lot of what he is talking about is present in most people’s WT/WC/VT too).
Hendrik uses his own terminology to describe things, and sometimes that makes things sound fairly complicated. In truth, when he boils things down to more concise videos and simpler posts, much of his material, IMO, is present in others training too. I think he would be the first to admit that it’s not rocket science, and often not exclusive to his version of Wing Chun.
He often uses analogies to try and make things clearer - which is good, but it is easy for some to take the analogy too literally. E.g. springs, coiled springs, rattan canes etc. these are just words/expressions to help build an image in the mind of what is happening. Our bodies are not really springs, not really canes, etc. You just need to take the idea behind them and apply it how we move, react, etc.
For some, Hendrik’s view of WCK history is wrong - and there’s nothing wrong with debating a point… but it feels to me that some people (JP in Arizona) deliberately post on Hendrik’s threads with the single intent of insulting the guy. Which is weird. Ignore his threads and posts if you don’t want to really engage (not a direct reference to you, tc101).
Many times I have inivite you to express and define
What is Wck?
What is good and bad in sparring? developed sparring skills ?
But you have not done that , instead keep on critic this is no good that cannot be define. Please share now.
Didn’t Wsl the sifu of Jerry fight boxer with Wck?
Also please don’t tell me Jerry doesn’t know what he is doing.
Sifu Jerry Yeung is the founder and head coach of Pure Ving Tsun (PVT). He first
met the Master of Ving Tsun, Wong Shun Leung Sifu in 1989, who
afterwards became Jerrys coach and enlightened him on Ving Tsun and
inspired his passion for the traditional Chinese Martial Arts.
Like his teacher,
Jerry honed his Ving Tsun skills by competing in numerous contact competitions. He’s the 3 Times Sanda Champion
and the co-host of Kung Fu Quest II TV programme produced by RTHK.
[QUOTE=tc101;1238398]
For you this seems to be a good example of the wing chin approach to use momentum to control the center but it was presented as a good example of sparring and that is what I was commenting on.
If those guys sparred with some people with developed sparring skills they would have been trounced and never been able to use their capture the centre momentum.
[/QUOTE]
Yes, Wck is a art with specific philosophy concept, strategy of execution, tools, and development for implementation. It is very well define because it is a tool use in 1855 uprising war zone .
[QUOTE=KPM;1238396]I would say that Wing Chun is like constantly driving a wedge into the center of the opponent. Occupy the center, keep the center, attack the center. Other systems don’t do that. As Hendrik has pointed out to me, SPM doesn’t do that.[/QUOTE]
Wck off spring from the red boat era are not too far way from each others.
There are something which is more involve when we go behind those basic stuff. Ie how to has a rattan body or coil spring coil spring power.
If you go back to retread my posts including yik kam transform, you will see how the big picture and details are presented in a systematical way, but most of us needs many revision to get it. To answer, what, why, how, when, and who are the focus instead of who is better or real Wck or oldest Wck which is not my focus at all.
But some of us will not like it because we would not want the know how far we have evolve away without our own idea.
History is not everyone’s interest but proper history does clearlify the art of Wck. Some don’t like to face history because they cannot face the facts of the past .
[QUOTE=BPWT;1238404]To be fair to Hendrik, his recent posts have had a bit more clarity. For me, with that clarity I realize that much of what he talks about in his Wing Chun, is actually also in my Wing Tsun (and probably a lot of what he is talking about is present in most people’s WT/WC/VT too).
Hendrik uses his own terminology to describe things, and sometimes that makes things sound fairly complicated. In truth, when he boils things down to more concise videos and simpler posts, much of his material, IMO, is present in others training too. I think he would be the first to admit that it’s not rocket science, and often not exclusive to his version of Wing Chun.
He often uses analogies to try and make things clearer - which is good, but it is easy for some to take the analogy too literally. E.g. springs, coiled springs, rattan canes etc. these are just words/expressions to help build an image in the mind of what is happening. Our bodies are not really springs, not really canes, etc. You just need to take the idea behind them and apply it how we move, react, etc.
For some, Hendrik’s view of WCK history is wrong - and there’s nothing wrong with debating a point… but it feels to me that some people (JP in Arizona) deliberately post on Hendrik’s threads with the single intent of insulting the guy. Which is weird. Ignore his threads and posts if you don’t want to really engage (not a direct reference to you, tc101).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=guy b.;1238278]Jerry is really good. Philip is decent as well. This clip is hated by the mma contingent because the contact is not hard enough. Never satisfied.[/QUOTE]
guyb is selling wolf tickets.
The guys are sparring. That’s better than most of the mouthboxers on this forum.
What else did I notice? MMA is coming to China. A Xing Yi guy with traditional kung fu pants and a Jaco rashguard.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1238405]Many times I have inivite you to express and define
What is Wck?
What is good and bad in sparring? developed sparring skills ?
[/QUOTE]
Hendrik are you lost? This is a thread about sparring. It doesn’t interest you.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1238407]There are something which is more involve when we go behind those basic stuff. Ie how to has a rattan body or coil spring coil spring power.
[/QUOTE]
So since you’re commenting on a sparring thread my observation is all the rattan body or coil spring power is a nice meditation exercise.
Breath in - “aaahhhhh, I can feel the rattan flowing through my body”. Breath out - “the coil spring power is indeed powerful”.
Or if it does have a fighting application, then where can we observe this phenomenon?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1238401]Just friendly sparring, nothing too good OR too bad about it per say.
I have always liked when guys from different systems get together and spar ( even when it is light sparring).
Its a good learning process for all involved.[/QUOTE]
Gee I get the picture this guy has actually sparred before.
He better watch out before he becomes one of the “mma contingent”…