So, all these talks about Qi… Can someone show some practical applications using it?
Everyone talks about Qi. Everyday it becomes more complicated and elaborate.
Ask yourself an honest question: is the way you “cultivate Qi” making you a better fighter? When it comes to the crunch, how well are you going fight against a physically stronger person? How is your “Qi training” going to help? Are you living in fantasy or reality?
I am not knocking Qi training. I have seen some really amazing sh!t that is hard to explain purely on Newtonian physiology alone. I just want to remind people not to lose there heads caught up in fantasy and focus on practicality and reality.
Don’t just talk about how to kick a ball. Don’t just learn about how to kick a ball by reading and theorizing. Learn to kick a ball by kicking a ball.
Cheers,
John
I agree…so what methods do you use to learn to kick the ball by actually kicking the ball?
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1150417]Everyone talks about Qi. Everyday it becomes more complicated and elaborate.
Ask yourself an honest question: is the way you “cultivate Qi” making you a better fighter? When it comes to the crunch, how well are you going fight against a physically stronger person? How is your “Qi training” going to help? Are you living in fantasy or reality?
I am not knocking Qi training. I have seen some really amazing sh!t that is hard to explain purely on Newtonian physiology alone. I just want to remind people not to lose there heads caught up in fantasy and focus on practicality and reality.
Don’t just talk about how to kick a ball. Don’t just learn about how to kick a ball by reading and theorizing. Learn to kick a ball by kicking a ball.
Cheers,
John[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1150412]The 8 types of Chi. http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/accu.asp
btw, there is a mistake in the Horary clock that needs to be corrected. I’m having another website done and it will be corrected..
scroll down to see the 8 chi[/QUOTE]
I dont think i have heard of eight different types of CHI?
Are u referring to meridians channels?
I know there is Chi your born with…and chi you acquire from eating, drinking, exercising and other things?
Please share the eight different types of chi…I believed under the acquired chi we have alot more than eight…possibly a different chi for every organ in the body, chi from the air, from trees, from water, from fire, from the earth, from contact with others, from the heavens itself. But then again this is all acquired chi so were really back to just two…an acquired and congential chi is really not different at all…in my opinion…
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150408]You guys want honest words?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1150419]I agree…so what methods do you use to learn to kick the ball by actually kicking the ball?[/QUOTE]
Keep it simple. Keep it natural.
Understand that true Yi does not come from intellectualising the concept. Learn to switch the brain off and turn on your heart/instinct on. Then you will lead your Qi. All these Yin Yang question becomes self answering because you will also understand the Yin and Yang nature of Qi.
We will use a simple punch as a training example: learn to punch with less force, more Yi and more power penetration.
In the beginning try the punch in a controlled enviroment; punch your training partner, let him feel and describe to you the effect of your punch. Experiment with your Yi until you get the desired result. Of course, you will also have to let the opponent punch you too, so you can help him develop. A good punch is one that seems only like a tap, but the receiver should feel like being hit by an iron ball (or as one of the guys I tapped yesterday at a Kung Fu gathering describes, “feels like being hit by a log”).
Once you get decent result, of course test in out with someone you don’t normally train with during sparring.
And of course, in a real fight, don’t be obscessed with techniques, focus on destroying the guy and let your habits win your fight.
You must continue to test your progress on partners and opponents; you don’t want to waste years of training (like many internal people do) chasing things that does not work.
Another example: I didn’t learn to take hits by imagining or reading; I learn to take hits by getting hit.
Breathing… 
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1150201]
But i think of it forwards, backwards, to the side, up and down! When you sink you breath in, When you uproot you breath out, when you pull in while stepping back you breath in. When you push out while moving forward you breath out. Side Steps also can be used to flank your opponent an capture the other two vectors…Standing Still if you will marks the place of origin or the vertex if you will…So standing still in my opinion marks the seventh vector![/QUOTE]
I was taught to breathe naturally…
Push - breath out, pull breath - in, etc… This is new idea to me…
Is this natural process or do you developed it consciously? Is it from ving tsun or tai chi…?
Jox, 
8 forces
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1150411]Which Chi/Qi? There are 8 types of Chi in TCM.[/QUOTE]
Do you mean 8 pa kua forces?
Jox,
Yes we do natural breath too. But also we practice a short breath that comes out through the nose…Upon impact you release. This is practiced during training, chi sau, sparring, form practice, sup yee san sik and other training methods. The more you practice it the more it becomes second nature. I utilize both natural breath and the wing chun breath. When fatigued breath natural. When energized use the breath. This one thing Sifu said. But it just dependant on you…your not gonna be striking and using that breath 100% of the time. Same way as your not going to be stepping or using your waist to with a punch 100% of the time. But I agree the majority of the time you breath natural…
[QUOTE=Jox;1150440]I was taught to breathe naturally…
Push - breath out, pull breath - in, etc… This is new idea to me…
Is this natural process or do you developed it consciously? Is it from ving tsun or tai chi…?
Jox, :)[/QUOTE]
Hmmm very good I like your details and explanation…very good indeed
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1150438]Keep it simple. Keep it natural.
Understand that true Yi does not come from intellectualising the concept. Learn to switch the brain off and turn on your heart/instinct on. Then you will lead your Qi. All these Yin Yang question becomes self answering because you will also understand the Yin and Yang nature of Qi.
We will use a simple punch as a training example: learn to punch with less force, more Yi and more power penetration.
In the beginning try the punch in a controlled enviroment; punch your training partner, let him feel and describe to you the effect of your punch. Experiment with your Yi until you get the desired result. Of course, you will also have to let the opponent punch you too, so you can help him develop. A good punch is one that seems only like a tap, but the receiver should feel like being hit by an iron ball (or as one of the guys I tapped yesterday at a Kung Fu gathering describes, “feels like being hit by a log”).
Once you get decent result, of course test in out with someone you don’t normally train with during sparring.
And of course, in a real fight, don’t be obscessed with techniques, focus on destroying the guy and let your habits win your fight.
You must continue to test your progress on partners and opponents; you don’t want to waste years of training (like many internal people do) chasing things that does not work.
Another example: I didn’t learn to take hits by imagining or reading; I learn to take hits by getting hit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1150432]I dont think i have heard of eight different types of CHI?
Are u referring to meridians channels?
I know there is Chi your born with…and chi you acquire from eating, drinking, exercising and other things?
Please share the eight different types of chi…I believed under the acquired chi we have alot more than eight…possibly a different chi for every organ in the body, chi from the air, from trees, from water, from fire, from the earth, from contact with others, from the heavens itself. But then again this is all acquired chi so were really back to just two…an acquired and congential chi is really not different at all…in my opinion…[/QUOTE]
I learned about the 8 types of Chi when I studied acupuncture in NYC. I sent a link to my website which shows the 8 types of Chi that acupuncturists learn about. There are plenty of books where explaining. Here’s one of the books we used: http://www.amazon.com/Acupuncture-John-Bensky-translated-OConnor/dp/B000KNH1ZE
[QUOTE=Jox;1150442]Do you mean 8 pa kua forces?
Jox, :)[/QUOTE]
Look near the bottom of this page on my website:
http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/accu.asp
yuan chi
http://sacredpeaks.net/meYuanChi.htm
Huang Di Nei Jing Su Wen The Yellow Emperors Classic
http://www.amazon.com/Huang-Nei-Jing-Wen-Knowledge/dp/0520233220
Chi-masters [ aka beano boys ]…happy new year !
okay will look it over in more depth later…thanks in advance
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1150546]http://sacredpeaks.net/meYuanChi.htm
Huang Di Nei Jing Su Wen The Yellow Emperors Classic
http://www.amazon.com/Huang-Nei-Jing-Wen-Knowledge/dp/0520233220[/QUOTE]
I don’t believe in 8 types of Qi. Or Chi. Whatever. I think that is just ancient Chinese Mystique. I believe that there is only one kind of Chi, which is the simple energy of the body that gives you life. There are probably at least 8 meridians, or pathways where the chi flows naturally, and these meridians can be blocked by injury or by intentional interference through accupuncture and other manipulations. I can give very good examples of this.
The problem with trying to use Chinese to explain these things is that it is way to general with somewhat broad meanings at times. Especially if Chinese is not your first language.
Taoist Mystique
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1150568]I don’t believe in 8 types of Qi. Or Chi. Whatever. I think that is just ancient Chinese Mystique. I believe that there is only one kind of Chi, which is the simple energy of the body that gives you life. There are probably at least 8 meridians, or pathways where the chi flows naturally, and these meridians can be blocked by injury or by intentional interference through accupuncture and other manipulations. I can give very good examples of this.
The problem with trying to use Chinese to explain these things is that it is way to general with somewhat broad meanings at times. Especially if Chinese is not your first language.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion Chinese Taoist Mystique explains the things very well.
There is only one primordial energy in the universe, but there is a spectrum of frequencies/polarities of that one. The one, two, three, 10.000 things.
In our body we have primordial energy, which gives us life. Each organ has its own energy. Sexual energy, emotional energy, etc… If we practice qi gong/meditation, we can refine that energies and open 8 channels + 12 meridians and connect to the outer sources of energy (earth, heaven, planets, stars…) to heal and empower us…
My two cents…
Jox,
IMHO.
Reading this thread, I doubt any true development in the field of chi cultivation can be done. The reason is there isn’t a Clear and full Comprehensive view on this chi cultivation engineering. It is more a philosophical interpretation here .
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1150568]I don’t believe in 8 types of Qi. Or Chi. Whatever. I think that is just ancient Chinese Mystique. I believe that there is only one kind of Chi, which is the simple energy of the body that gives you life. There are probably at least 8 meridians, or pathways where the chi flows naturally, and these meridians can be blocked by injury or by intentional interference through accupuncture and other manipulations. I can give very good examples of this.
The problem with trying to use Chinese to explain these things is that it is way to general with somewhat broad meanings at times. Especially if Chinese is not your first language.[/QUOTE]
So then you don’t believe in Acupuncture and Traditional Chinese Medicine and that’s fine.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150582]IMHO.
Reading this thread, I doubt any true development in the field of chi cultivation can be done. The reason is there isn’t a Clear and full Comprehensive view on this chi cultivation engineering. It is more a philosophical interpretation here .[/QUOTE]
Well Kirlian photography shows that something like chi exists.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1150623]Well Kirlian photography shows that something like chi exists.[/QUOTE]
IMHO,
The Chinese has a clear and precise process of cultivate chi. Everything is well define. It is no different then a physical development. One doesn’t need kirlian or even biofeedback instrument. Kirlian or biofeedback instrument are mostly tools to pursue the western world. They really doesn’t do much, not to mention they are always misunderstood and become mystefy.
Those who really has the qi cultivation is very clear for it. And also knows it is not everything such as qi ball blast projection. But it is certainly another layer of human reality which they can access for their use.
