Hey Team,
About CLF forms;
(Forgive my Mandarin terminology, I don’t know the cantonese)
I hear that some forms like MeiHua (Plum Blossom) and BaGuaQuan (8 Trigrams) have multiple roads in CLF. I.e Part 1, 2, 3 etc. But I rarely get to see them.
Does anyone here practice one form in its complete state, as in all roads of MeiHua for example? Any Videos?
What other forms have multiple roads?
Not actually correct…there are different versions of Plum Flower (moi fah) but that is generally due to lineages. As far as the CLF bagua forms there are 9 different forms each with a different name:
Dai bagua kuen
Siu bagua kuen
Yee Jong bagua kuen
Da ting bagua kuen
Hung yan bagua kuen
Da fu bagua kuen
Moi fah bagua kuen
Baat gwa sum kuen
The first 8 represent each of the 8 triagrams and the last is the center (baat gwa sum or heart of bagua).
I hear that some forms like MeiHua (Plum Blossom) and BaGuaQuan (8 Trigrams) have multiple roads in CLF. I.e Part 1, 2, 3 etc. But I rarely get to see them.
not sure about that. my lineage doesn’t practice the Plum Blossom stuff or bagua kuen. but we have full forms, and short versions of the full form.
Dai bagua kuen
Siu bagua kuen
Yee Jong bagua kuen
Da ting bagua kuen
Hung yan bagua kuen
Da fu bagua kuen
Moi fah bagua kuen
Baat gwa sum kuen
The first 8 represent each of the 8 triagrams and the last is the center (baat gwa sum or heart of bagua).
according to EJ there: Lung Ying Baat Kwa Kuen is the 9th one
No lung ying bagua is a different form outside the 9 bagua sets.
The one I left out was Ng Ying Bagua Kuen (5-Animal Bagua).
Ng Ying Bagua Kuen (5-Animal Bagua)
that is the true name of our 5 animal form
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1195635]that is the true name of our 5 animal form[/QUOTE]
Uh oh Frank we don’t want to open that can of worms…could there be a connection after all . Just kidding
lololol…
Thanks for the replies!
Any more forms have multiple roads? Luohan Quan, Jingang Quan, Tiger, Leopard?
If it is multiple roads because of different lineages then that is not so interesting… But multiple roads like a sequence of forms, that would be interesting.
Also with the 9 BaGua forms, do people practice them all together? Are they a logical progression?
my HSCLF lineage doesn’t have too many forms. a good amount compared to others, but ours are designed not to repeat.
If it is multiple roads because of different lineages then that is not so interesting… But multiple roads like a sequence of forms, that would be interesting.
yeah, CLF may share the same names of forms but the material is all different. we have three different types of ping Kuen
Never heard of them being done together and CLF doesn’t have roads the way northern styles do.
the “multiple roads” terminology confuses me since its not used in our style.
does this mean multiple versions? is that of sets? or something like various versions of panther, tiger, crane, snake, dragon…etc???
Roads are seperate sections that can be learned independent then linked together for a full form later. In shaolin they have dahong yilu, erlu, sanlu etc. CLF doesn’t really have that in the sense of a northern style but it has “large and small” versions of forms. We have for instance siu kau da kuen and dai kau da kuen. The idea is similar to xiao hong quan and dahong quan
Roads are seperate sections that can be learned independent then linked together for a full form later.
ahhh i got you. right on. Our schools Sup Ji Kau Da is that way, borken down into 3 sections that can all be perormed independantly or in the whole. So I guess it would have 3 roads then by what you’re saying.
The small and big versions are typically for demo versions and are more less cut down versions with dai or big typically just the original form. For example we have Siu ping kuen which is just a short version of ping kuen or what some call dai ping kuen.
Well, Kind of…
Seperate roads are not always a form broken into sections, but a form which uses a similar style as another form.
For example the techniques of Shaolins XiaoHongQuan 1,2,3,4 Da Hong Quan 1,2 All go together very well and form a complete syllabus. As in it is more useful to learn these than to learn say, 1 luohan, 1 jingang, 1 meihua, 1 hong and 1 tongbei. They are a logical progression of techniques.
I would suggest if there are 9 Bagua forms in CLF then they are probably intended to go together well. As in they build on each other.
For example In SOngShan XiaoHongQuan road 2 shows counter techniques if the techniques from road 1 fail. So it is more useful to you to learn XHQ 2 than an entirely different form. Perhaps this is the same for CLFs BaGua Quan? Asi in perhaps the 9 go together very well and compliment each other?
CLF doesn’t really work in that manner. As far as the bagua sets as I said earlier each one represents one if the 8 sides of the triagram with the 9 form representing the yin/yang circle in the center or the heart of bagua. I have never heard of the sets being taught or performed in any order as each one is individual.
Not really because all the forms in clf are fairly similar due to the fact they all have the same base concepts the ten elements. Different form doesnt mean different style in clf
What I meant by individual was that they are not made to link together but rather stand on their own.
[QUOTE=Shaolindynasty;1195702]Not really because all the forms in clf are fairly similar due to the fact they all have the same base concepts the ten elements. Different form doesnt mean different style in clf[/QUOTE]
Ok I see. I mean, in SongShan of course all the forms are compatable and use the same principles…
I just mean, if they chose to name them with a naming scheme perhaps there is more than the name that is common as this is how it tends to work with northern forms.
Does anyone here know all 9 Bagua forms? Are there videos of all 9 on YouTube? Or wait, is it 10 in total?
I’m finding it difficult to search as there seem to be a lot of different spellings…