Oh, I did choy le fut for 5 months with one guy…then a couple lessons with another guy and the second guy was all about the hip swinging movements and crashing backfists, etc.
Heck, look at your application clips in your sig, shouldn’t the way you fight have some similarity to that?
i agree, some of the stuff he uses looks clf.
people in clf don’t become the system, they use the system. thats the great thing about clf, its versatile. if you were to study it, you will find many similarities and adaptabity to many other styles of effective fighting.
still, there is no Karate Kid about clf. we fight how we fight, and use clf strikes.
knife fighter is right about one thing. you have to tighten it up when it comes to skilled fighters. but clf as a fighting art isn’t to be slept on.
as i’ve always said, typically in tcma, you throw more than half of your traditional stuff away when it comes to realistic fighting.
yet, to the outside world you all expect to see the long arm stuff. but we have alot of inside fighting as well.
actually, winterpalm, thats my fighting style. i try not to look all traditional, but i don’t want to look like im boxing either.
first, i got street fighting in my background, then i utilize my martial arts to suppliment my fighting. but typically, we in clf wouldn’t throw long arm strikes while our opponent can see what we are doing.
just like in the first rampage lidell fight, lidell launched the overhead and rampage just ducked under it.
personally, i would never use that as a first strike unless its an optimal situation.
winter palm, typically, i’d line up with some one like this.
but not always. it doesn’t look too traditional, right?
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;766372]as i’ve always said, typically in tcma, you throw more than half of your traditional stuff away when it comes to realistic fighting.
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that is the value I see in forms - it will allow you to keep all of the stuff in the system that you aren’t using in fighting. Look at muay thai - they stripped out everything that wasn’t working in the ring, but they only fought - they don’t really do forms - and now those techniques are lost, for the most part. if they had some method for transmitting those other techniques, then they would not be lost now. In judo, kata aren’t required learning until black belt level. IMO, that is great - learn how to fight, focus on fighting, THEN learn the other techniques.
[QUOTE=SifuAbel;766301]Yes, more day care style modding. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
here’s an interesting concept - don’t act like babies and you won’t need a sitter…
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;766299]or I guess not… you seem to have deleted his offensive posts…
too bad, a great testimony to his character (and lack thereof)[/QUOTE]
this thread was about clf vs muay thai, not frank’s competence or lack thereof. If the thread WAS about that and was kept clean (no cursing) I am not opposed to let it stay. I am actually one of the more liberal mods. If you don’t believe me, go post OT stuff or argue on the mantis forum.
see, i watched that again, and its pretty traditionally done. but all i know is clf.
but no, there aren’t too many situations in fighting that you can get off super clean techniques. the fight is too unpredictable, and searching for the predictable is wrong.
i train my students to react to what ever is thrown, not “given” techniques. i teach those to beginners.
knife fighter has some good points, but a good fighter will also know what he’s talking about and have a backup plan. clf people like to fight, and always explore better ways to improve.
but then again, its how you train.
thats how i see it sevenstar.
when i saw the tony jaa movie where he was doing a fighting form late night, i was excited because it looked gung fu-ish, but thai at the same time.
i agree if forms were totally tossed out we’d lose out. but thats why i dissect our forms first so my students will know why they are doing what they are doing in the first place. it makes learning the form much easier.
Dham! I reckon that one reeled in at least 4, and started a wee flame war on the side. Well, at least its on topic, not like the lively topic on taxing the rich.
Wait! Ross, you always talk about how successful you are, maybe you should pick up the tab for Yum Cha in NYC for a few of the local boys? You certainly use this board more than most regular users, and for commercial gain…Nevermind…
What should Choi Lee Fut look like? Well, some guys know, and some just do the easy route, train Chinese forms, fight Gweilo Kune, and than whine about how the MMA guys are so superior…or maybe even crossover into the “light” and whine about the death of TCMA. blah blah blah…
I didn’t mean to start a flame war, just a discussion. I’m no expert on CLF, I’m asking those who are, not necessarily those that think they are, and it ain’t hard to tell…
Anyway, there’s a thread goin about Lacy. Back in the day, when he and his brother lived in Melbourne, they did some fighting in contests there. I think it was William Cheungs tournament where they cleaned up so much they tried to change the rules to outlaw the spinning backfist. He’s a ferocious MF.
On the linked Lacy vid, there’s some vid from Australia in 88, fighting in full armour, and it didn’t look any better, granted. It must have been Melbourne, as in Sydney in 88 we weren’t using body armour and head gear was optional, very few used it.
My sifu grew up with Chen Yong Fa and they are still close friends. I fought his guys likewise back in the day. I can tell you from my experience CLF is more than right-left-right-left, elbow raised straight punches from a squared off position. You expect to see some swinging arms, long and short, maybe a backfist followed by a long swinging arm, and low teeps like the Tai boxer was using. You expect to see some lateral movement.
HOWEVER, I’ll agree, CLF and Pak Hok, are quite adaptable with gloves, and more subtlely different, hard to tell exactly what was intended vs how it looks. Again, the vid of Chuck Lidell comes to mind.
AND, all respect for that young guy in the vid, heart like a lion.
About kicking and endurance. Sure, maybe the thai fighter was in poorer shape, but I reckon it was made worse by his predisposition to kick all the time. I been there, done that, and constant kicking will wear you out quicker than boxing. IF you can’t use the extra power to end it early - that’s the tradeoff.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;766383]here’s an interesting concept - don’t act like babies and you won’t need a sitter…[/QUOTE]
ROTFL!!!
i know what you mean yum cha, but i was wondering if you meant shouldn’t clf look classical instead of some modern fighting way like kick boxing.
classical fighting imo will get you in trouble
not if you’re at a wushu contest 
Man, I take too long to write my posts, come back and 5 have slipped in.
I think its safe to say, with all TCMA, you learn the system, but you have your “fighting” moves.
I think its also safe to say, your “fighting” moves are different on the street than they are in the ring.
…or on the forum it seems…
verb-verb-adverb-DIRECT OBJECT!!!
agreed, well about everything but the forum.
HSK - my take, is that in the ring, there’s a lot you have to do with the tools you have, namely gloves, but at the same time, there’s a flavour that comes through, enough to reconise it beyond generic.
The Thai guy looked like it. Arms up, knees, teeps, etc.
Personally, I’m speaking as a spectator, I love seeing style fights, I could give a rat’s a$$ is they are most brutal or physical, they are certainly the most entertaining.
That double overhand right-left-right-left squared off punching the CLF guy used is very effective, we have it, Wing Chun has it, its all over the place. Just that I expect to see some arcs with CLF, not just straight lines.
Nice clip.
I don’t think the Muay Thai guy had any less energy - he just got rocked a lot after repeated hits to the head. After that he just didn’t have the heart.
I can see how to some it can look like boxing, albeit somewhat peculiar boxing, but for those who know what to look for it’s kung fu. Way too many hooks and circular punches for boxing. The arms stuck and bridged, physically crowding and moving the other guy into the next strike as opposed to the in and out nature of boxing. This was supported by some pretty traditional footwork - plenty of triangle stepping into the opposite leg (you can see bow stances everywhere)… even some sao-choys with full 180 degress half-moon stepping, which is definately not boxing.
Too bad the Muay Thai guy was not a better fighter. But anyhow great clip.
no he hasn’t
[QUOTE=SifuAbel;766333]I’ve put unkookyforkokopuffs on ignore. [/QUOTE]
Another lie from the fat monkey.
yum cha, i know what you mean.
i like the wider arcs myself, but how and when i used them is the key, for MY success.
see, there was much non clf the guy did too. like walking straight into those front kicks. something i will never do twice.
the thing i liked about the clf guy was imo he had more aggression. yeah, against a better thai fighter, he would have had some issues.
but i know what you mean about wanting it to look more clf. i say that about many of the clf fights i’ve witnessed too.
Hi HSK, MOK
Forgive my ignorance, gwa-choi?
Yes, I do see the bridging, problem is with gloves, sometimes it just looks like getting tangled up, and the side stepping. I’ll have another, closer look.
Thanks for the detail.
HSK - those front kicks didn’t seem to do anything more than knock the kicker off balance. Bet it took away his confidence to have that smaller lad walking though his sh1t…if you get my point.