So who is or was your sifu, I know pretty much all of sifu’s students that have or had schools? If you don’t want to post it you can PM me and if you don’t want to say that is fine too but I am just curious.
When LKH taught here he never spoke of Fut San, Hung Sing or even Chan Family, nor does Li Siu Hung and my other sihings in Hong Kong. Truthfully our line is somewhat unique and different from the others, yeah the forms come from the Chan side but we have influences from all over including the other branches as well as from Shek Kin and even sifu’s younger brother Li Chun Hung, who is a buk siu lum sifu.
The LKH style is a hybrid style but forms don’t really make a style they are just part of it.
The LKH line being called Hung Sing but playing Chan forms is a political issue, but the material isnt Hung Sing even if it does use that name… but I think you guys are a unique style of your own and should be proud of it, as you are Im sure.
I agree with you about the politics. If you have seen a lot of our style, which I am assuming you have, you will see that we use the chop choy in virtually every punch. Not saying that means anything but it seems to be a buk sing influence or it could be nothing more than something Poon Dik preferred, I don’t know, just something I have noticed.
I agree with you that we really don’t look much like anything from Fut San, but with all the apparent cross training that appeared to go on back in the day I do think other influences exist within our line.
That link you provided is different from the form I learned. The one I learned really has a hung gar type feel and flow to it, much different from how our forms feel and are played.
I believe the performer in that clip is a student of Chiu Mun On, who was my sifu’s si dai. I like Chiu Sifu’s kung fu, he has a wicked sow choy. I have never seen this set in our lineage and don’t know if sifu knew it or not or if it is fact even from our line. We know when sifu passed there were sets that were lost.
It is a cool form, and theres one other vid up somewhere but the same school. Yeah, Chiu Sifus school, hes really good!
You guys have alot of numbers under LKH, have you ever started an association like the other branches? It would be good to unite since you guys have similar style and standards.
It is our line, his sifu was LKHs younger KF brother, Sifu Chiu Mun On. Chiu Sifu is a student of Poon Sing. I have seen a few of their sets and you can tell the forms are the same but they have some differences and likely “earmarks” of their sifu.
When you are HK if you see Kwong Cho Yin (Joe Kwong) and he takes you to Kung Fu Corner (I think its called) I believe you can see his school perform there. He also has a school I think so you could check that out as well.
Here’s a name for the list: Cheuk Tse a.k.a. Tse, Cheuk Tong–very influential in Hawaii since the late 1960’s. Usually thought of as a White Crane and Hop Ga teacher, he learned some CLF from his famous uncle Tse, Wing Bun. In the 1970’s he became a follower of Ho, Ngau and taught under Ho’s lineage (Chan Kun Pak > Ngan Yiu Ting > Ho Ngau. The lineage may not turn out to be very important in historical terms since I seem to be the only one still teaching (in a very isolated part of the U.S.).
I would also like to mention San Francisco’s Ngan Cho Keung from a closely related lineage. Ngan Yiu Ting was his grandfather.
[QUOTE=CLFNole;810129]So who is or was your sifu, I know pretty much all of sifu’s students that have or had schools? If you don’t want to post it you can PM me and if you don’t want to say that is fine too but I am just curious.[/QUOTE]
I would rather not name names without consent, as this as always is a touchy subject and I don’t wish to blow it out of porportions. If you know all of LKH’s students then you will know my teacher. It’s quiet simple, yes there are chan in our style but there’s futsan too. CLF is composite style, so what is new about. It all started from the Chan family so what is so surprising to have Chan in your CLF? There is a bit of chan in all CLF. Just because you stripped it down and rearranged everything does not make this fact disputable. Characteristics of all CLF comes into play during the fight. Personally I only care for the best technique for me at a particular point in time. But if someone cares to ask me about the history of my kung fu, I would say Chan Heung is the founder and the way I do it is Cheung Yim via my teacher, LKH and many CLF sifus who made it better, all the way back to Chan Heung. Those who have lived, fought & died with CLF, they deserve this mark of respect and in an ideal world it should be independent of fraternities & organisations.
You are entitled to believe what you want and while I don’t agree with you I respect your beliefs.
As far as not being able to name your sifu. If your sifu is legit everyone on the board will know who he is. When people are afraid to give their sifus name sometimes a red flag goes up. I am not saying your sifu is not legit but he would have to be one of the following if in fact he still teaches (there are some others that don’t teach anymore):
USA: Li Siu Hung, Wong Tat Mau, Mak Hin Fai, John Wai
Germany: Michael Punchzke
Ireland: Lee Siu Ming
S. Africa: Mornet or Eddie
Hong Kong: Kwong Cho Yin, Wong Chi Yuen, Cheung Yung Hay, Pang Ko Chu
France: Tai Lam
If it is not one in this group I would be suprised. If not where did you learn (country)?
Guy, with all due respect, while I wish to learn and make friends here. I don’t personally know you or others here. I have said all I wished to say on this topic. Posts can oftent be misread and get heated on the internet. If we ever have the chance to meet in person, we can talk Kung fu over a beer.
We all wish to make friends here for the most part as there will always be some trouble makers. We all know each other and have pm’d each other with various stuff. We know who each others sifus are etc… so it’s no big deal. Even though we are from different branches and lineages we all get along well but we all have told a little bit about ourselves and our CLF backgrounds.
I really don’t have anything to hide I studied with my sifu LKH for 3 years and have studied with sifu Li Siu Hung since 1996 when sifu passed away. I am married to one of LKH’s daughters.
I respect your wishes to be unknown, but you do owe me a beer and a story.
[QUOTE=mokkori;810127]Guys, the principles cant be defined by the lineage, only by the teacher. Ive seen Buk Sing guys who train hardcore on only forms, and Ive seen Chan Family guys who only learn 1 form and train the fighting techniques of it to perfection. You think you can determine which 1 of the 3 main branches by seeing a couple techniques? Bull!
How come the Singapore, Malaysia, and Futshan all play the same Hung Sing forms completely differently?
How come the Laceys, Jun Chiu Yue, and Wong Gwai Cheun all do their Buk Sing at different stance heights, different speeds, different extensions, etc.?
…the practitioners and how they were taught or how they want or how they interpret how things are done. QUOTE]
I agree, mokkori. The individual practitioner makes their gung fu their own. The core of the style/lineage remains but each practitioner moves and thinks differently, thus the gung fu will be effected differently.
I see other Bak Hsing peeps and they are different. Why? Different lineage. Different influences. Different flavors. Different perspectives. I’ve said this before, even in the same generation the gung fu can be, will be, should be, as you say, ‘played’ differently. The core will be or should be there but gung fu is not about cookie cutter practitioners.
