Hmmm, I might be wrong on that Fu Pau, Ill check into it. The Fu Pau you saw from Gong On is not CLF, its Jow Ga!
You wouldnt find that form on DFW’s list no, but he always makes a point of that list being “not a complete list”. Recently, Chen Yong Fa has said that the true number of forms from their lineage is over 190! Although 5 years ago they said 148, and 10 years ago they said 136… but thats none of my business.
Im from the Chui Kwong Yeun line. Lui Lit’s students are still around but kinda dormant. Lui Lits son is teaching still though, really good kung fu from that lineage. Lui Lit was one of Chui Cheungs top students from way back, shame he passed away just a couple years ago.
I noticed your list of 8 sets differs slightly from the 8 forms I have read about:
Tai Gee Kuen
Ping Kuen
Tien Gee Kuen
Kwok Gee Kuen
Cheong Kuen
On Gee Kuen
Man Gee Kuen
Nien Gee Kuen
Just curious as to why yours is different and why no other hung sing schools appear to have these 8 sets outside of maybe ping kuen and cheong kuen?
Also I have never heard of 8 original hung sing sets ever being documented. Frank has always maintained that Jeong Yim learned a long form called in and out baat gwa to which he broke up into sup gee kuen, ping kuen and cheong keun.
I’d been led to believe that Fu-Pow Kuen is an alternative name for Ping Jang Kuen. Doc Fai Wong’s Sup Ji Kuen is from the Futsan line, and his Fut Jeung is from Chan On Pak’s line, so they would be different from Chan Koon Pak lines.
There has been a lot of confusion regarding that; however some others such as my sifu Li Siu Hung and Wong Chi Yuen have been to Fut San and King Mui and it has become more and more obvious that we are really more hung sing via Chan Koon Pak. I have seen quite a few different forms from the Chan side and many are the same as ours albeit with some minor differences but you can see its the same set. Our Li Ma and Che Kuen sets are Ng Lun Ma and Ng Lun Choy from the Chan side, we have a few of the baat kwa sets, and so on. If you look at our stuff then compare it to Fut San there is zero similarities other than the basic seeds of CLF and the L-shaped hoi jong seen in a few of our sets.
Ben:
I don’t think Fu Pow is another name for Ping Jahng but Ping Chang is also called Gum Pow Ping Jahng Kuen (Golden Leapord Level Elbow), which is what you might be thinking of.
[QUOTE=CLFNole;809892]Chasin:
If you look at our stuff then compare it to Fut San there is zero similarities other than the basic seeds of CLF and the L-shaped hoi jong seen in a few of our sets.
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If LKH used the Cheung Yim badge, changed the hoi jong and emphaisized Cheung Yim extensions in the forms, wouldn’t that indicate he would have been on Cheung Yim’s side? I have always been told he was Cheung Yim.
we are all brothers here so i am going to be the first to step up here and say this…
as you know i AM fut san lineage hung sing. It is easy to identify chan family choy lee fut. their forms have ear marks.
now, fut san hung sing lineages again are very proud. hung sing also has earmarks, so when the LKH lineage promoted the Hung Sing name we started looking deeper into their stuff…thats when hung sing people began saying hey, they claim hung sing but they have nothing like us.
so when i began asking long long ago, i was told by other hung sing people that lee koon hung was a fierce promoter of hung sing so the hung sing people settled with that. but aside from the pattern alone, everything hand wise they do is chan fam.
but i think there’s a rise now for true hung sing people to re-connect. and we are looking for things only we know are hung sing.
i hope that made sense, but in my opinion, lhk lineage is the adopted son of hung sing kwoon
Only a few of our sets have the L-shaped hoi jong in them most are the straight ahead hoi jongs similar to the Chan Family.
Like I said before the whole Jeong Yim Hung Sing alliance seems to have been more or less related to politics.
With the advent of the internet and things like Youtube if you know our system, which I do, it is easy to see where we came from, politics aside.
Frank:
You are right my bad, but you know the point I was trying to make.
As far as whose adopted son we are, I don’t know. We are all just about CLF. If ever have a chance to come to our school and see all the various banners given to Sifu when he 1st opened the school in the US you will see things given to him from the Chan Family side, Jeong Yim side and even Buk Sing side if I am not mistaken. Sifu really didn’t care for politics and made friends in all camps.
stout, the only thing from a fut san hung sing point of view, that the Lkh lineage does thats connected to our branch is the pattern of the hoi jong. the moves in the hoi jong are not hung sing at all. no disrespected intended lkh lineage…
buk sing and hung sing have the same pattern and same moves aside from buk sing’s modifications to it. but if you know where the modifications are, then you’d recognize the hoi jong.
although LKH lineage does our “pattern” the moves in their pattern are not from hung sing but resemble chan fam moves more.
Truthfully it is a pattern used for our more advanced sets and you are correct it is different for the hung sing and buk sing hoi jong. But here is the thing I have spoken with some people who have told me that the Chan Family also has an L-shaped hoi jong in some sets so who knows maybe that is why ours is different. I don’t know nor do I really care, the only thing that really means anything to me is the 3 bows: 1 - choy, 2 - lay & 3 - fut.
im just conveying the thought of other hung sing kwoons about Lee Koon Hung. they knew he wasn’t truly hung sing, but his heart was there so they pulled him in with them.
when i was told that, i too was like hell, they may have different material, but their heart is with us.
politics suck…if equality existed in CLF politics wouldn’t!!!
Yes agree some forms are close to Chan. I supposed I am just quite out of it inrelation to the direction CLF is heading. The man is not around anymore. I guess reorgs happen and politics change, despite what his wishes would have been, whatever they were. So is LKH’s lineage going to be disassociated from Fut San Hung Goon?
knowing your lineage isn’t important unless you are trying to learn about your history. it has nothing to do with whether they have good or bad choy lee fut.
ALL CLF has the same techniques, but things change from school to school. not just branches.
We promote and teach our style for the benefit of CLF, nothing more nothing less, that is what sifu was about spreading the CLF knowledge, we leave the politics to others.
Stout: Are you from our lineage? If so directly or through one of sifu’s students?
