Hi Frank,
Why would I want to get rid of Hung Sing CLF? it has been around longer than you and I will ever be.
All CLF is Chan Family CLF whether you like it or not because we all have the same ancestry, get that into your head and deal with it!
EJ
you may be knowledgeable on Chan Family CLF joseph,
but you are completely and utterly ignorant when it comes to Jeong Yim’s Hung Sing Kwoon.
you try to fill these people with your own bs, and try to sway people away from going to the Fut San source.
You said i should go to King Mui. I aksed you why. You never answered.
you throw out all types of sheet, but you cannot tell me about my lineage. at all.
I wonder why that is?
why?
because Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut conflicts with the Chan Family Choy Lee Fut history.
that’s why.
How many times do you need to be told this:This quote:“For the record, we, The Buck Sing Gwoon, maintain Chan Heung as the founder of Choy Lay Fut”
The quote mentions only Chan Heung as founder of CLF. No Jeong Yim or co-founder. OK?
Why do you keep rambling on and on with so much useless comments?
If you have something substantial then show it. Otherwise just say so that you don’t. OK?
Why?
Because you are telling me that my great great grandfather is not my great great grandfather but someone else. That is why!
your ancestry may be Chan Yuen Wu, Choy Fook, and Lee Yau San.
My ancestry is Lee Yau San, Chan Heung, and Monk Choy Fook.
Our Gung fu may have started with Chan Heung, but Jeong Yim didn’t stay long, and after his time with Monk Ching Cho he developed his own type of Choy Lee Fut. He developed his CLF and included what he learned from Lee Yau San, and Ching CHo into what he learned from Chan Heung.
this kind of CLF was Not taught in the Chan Family branch. It was taught in Jeung Hung Sing’s branch. Chan Heung’s Choy Lee FUt was Not taught in Jeong Yim’s Branch. The Buk Sing Branch teaches Jeong Yim’s Choy Lee Fut. They don’t teach Chan Family Choy Lee FUt.
With Three Different Schools teaching the same style, with three different -completely different–styles of Choy Lee Fut. you have to ask why, why doesn’t all the Choy Lee Fut schools-----if they all started with Chan Heung, then why don’t the other two branches of the same style practice and teach Chan Heung’s material?
is that some sarcastic remark? or are you saying that “I” frank, am telling you that I am saying your Great Great Grand Father is someone else?
speak clearly, dude.
oh, kenny’s back..
kenny=Vstanmore.
Vstanmore…you better be careful, or they will know you are kenny, and you will get banned again.
Hi EJ,
I’m curious is there any Lee Gar left in Sun Wui? I would like to see some Lee Gar, Choy Gar and Mok Gar kungfu, as they were suppose to be some of the 5 famous shaolin lineages in Guangdong.
I remember reading about a Lee Gar sifu in HK surnamed Mok I think.
Would like to hear your experiences if you have encountered any remnants of those styles.
Thanks.
Our Gung fu may have started with Chan Heung, but Jeong Yim didn’t stay long, and after his time with Monk Ching Cho he developed his own type of Choy Lee Fut. He developed his CLF and included what he learned from Lee Yau San, and Ching CHo into what he learned from Chan Heung.
Hi Frank,
Then please don’t use the term CLF and call yourself something else. For example “Chan Lee Ching” Kung Fu or something and that would solve all your and our problems.
EJ
Hi Frank,
Obviously you don’t know what a metaphor is.
If I do CLF and our founder is Chan Heung and you come along and say to us we do CLF too but our founder is Jeong Yim, does that not meant now you are telling us our “great great grandfather” (our CLF ancester) is someone else?
It is very very insulting! Frank. Get it?
EJ
ahhhhhh, your problem Joseph is that Because the Hung SIng branch doesn’t view Chan Heung as OUR founder, you think we should call ourselves something else? right?
In your old age, you should know that Hung SIng Kwoon’s style was also referred to as Hung Sing Kuen.
We went over this before, It was reported by elders that around the 3rd generation the Hung Sing Kwoon didn’t use the name Choy Lee Fut. It was others who referred to Jeong Yim’s style as having elements of Choy Ga, Lee Ga, and Fut Ga. The FUt San Hung SIng Kwoon was using Hung SIng Kuen or even Fut Gar Jing Jong.
It really sucks for ALL of CLF when one branch wants to exlude another or others because they don’t practice and teach that one branches methods, ideas, principles, and so on. It really sucks that there are Chan Family members who won’t let Jeong Yim have the history he so rightly deserves.
The chan Family has NO connection to the Green Grass Monk, but Jeong Yim did. because the green grass monk wouldn’t go away, the chan family resorts to changing history turning him into Choy Fook so in order to keep the scales tipped in their favor.
The fact of the matter is that Jeong Yim was a short time student of CHan Heung. Regardless of the reason, Jeong Yim then went to Ching Cho. Before Chan Heung Jeong Yim studied with Lee Yau San, and is most likely why Jeong Yim adopted to Chan Heung’s gung fu so well.
What sucks is that someone in the third generation records their history for posterity. And people belive it. Much like the believed the BIBLE and come to finde out that the original version has been modified to suit the publics feelings. However, when many of the other side cannot read or write their own names, and was not able to physically able to write it down due to their handicaps it doesn’t mean they are lying when they verbally re-tell their lives and their histories people want to kick it to the curb.
Well guess what, many of you have gotten to know your grandfathers and got to know more of them by asking questions. NONE of what you learned about your grand fathers in 2006 are recorded for future use. I can say at least 50% of the people who read this forum has never taken the time to do a family tree.
Some of us even have living great great grand mothers yet no one has ever taken the time to write THEIR histories. And this is 2006. So to say that The Fut San Hung SIng Kwoon is wrong in the account of their own history because their were no written records from its origin is completely unfair. Not right. at all.
However, the Fut San Lineage lives on becuase of Soldiers like myself, and other HSK elders. Leave it up to the CHan Family HSK history would disappear all together.
really really sad joseph.
and the very same goes for what you say about OUR founder.
why is your point of view about your founder more important than mine.
and you know that you have just revealed that your focus on me is more on the line of anger than anything.
see, you forget that i have never denied that Chan Heung was Jeong Yim’s sifu.
However, there is the thing about what Chan Heung actually taught Jeong Yim.
But, Jeong Yim was not a Chan Heung soldier. He obviously was more dedicated to the Green Grass Monk, which is more likely the reason he chose to change the name of Chan Heung’s school (the one by the blind guy) to that of his own.
I don’t know for sure if Jeong Yim was pushing CHOY LEE FUT or HUNG SING KUEN, i’m not that old. Maybe you are joseph, but not me. But somewhere down the line CLF and Jeong Yim got linked up, and aftewards people believed Jeong Yim and CLF went hand in hand.
However, Chan Heung wasn’t Jeong Yim’s only sifu. Lee Yau San and Ching CHo were his other two. when developing his own gung fu what did you think he would do? He did just as chan Heung did, he combined all the gung fu he learned into a system that he taught.
But i see where you could be upset.
We went over this before, It was reported by elders that around the 3rd generation the Hung Sing Kwoon didn’t use the name Choy Lee Fut. It was others who referred to Jeong Yim’s style as having elements of Choy Ga, Lee Ga, and Fut Ga. The FUt San Hung SIng Kwoon was using Hung SIng Kuen or even Fut Gar Jing Jong.
Hi Frank,
That’s great. You do Hung Sing Kuen and Fut Gar Jing Jong and we do CLF, so we have nothing in common and we can stop this conversation because we are no longer talking about CLF or CLF history and you can say whatever you want about Fut Gar Jing Jong. It is none of my business.
Cheerio,
EJ
cheerio.
i stopped eating that cereal long ago.
however, the hungsing branch is choy lee fut and you can’t shake us. we have our own history and there’s nothing you can do to change that.
Let the fut san hung sing kwoon tell the world about Jeong Yim and you can tell them about chan heung.
No problem Frank,
You can tell the world about Hung Sing Kuen and Fut Gar Jing Jong from Futsan and leave us CLF practitioners alone.
Go ahead, you Hung Sing Warrior from Futsan.
Me? I do CLF!
me too, joseph, me too.
brother.
Hi Frank;
Did you say ‘brother’? Who’s your great great grandfather?
:eek: 
You guys really need to try that ignore list feature. It just makes quality of life so much better. You don’t have to wade through all the crap to get to the good stuff.
Instead of crap I just see this:
"This message is hidden because hskwarrior is on your ignore list. "
Its like everytime I read that its like a blessing from heaven.
FP