I posted this in response to a question on another thread but I thought this set might be worthy of it’s own topic since it is a major set in the Choy Lay Fut system.
This is the Sap ji kau da from my lineage, we actually call it Dai kau Da kuen as we have a “small” and “large” version. I’ve seen alot of versions of this form and they all seem to be very similar. feel free to compare the similarities and differences of this version to your own
Shaolin D, can you remind me where the Hung Gar hands come from in this set? Fut San Hung Sing doesn’t use those hands at all. jusy curious did fong yu shu have anything to do with that form?
I am sure there were some alterations made to it over the course of the past 5 generations. I do not know who specifically added the kiu sau portion in the begining. I did know that that portion was going to raise some questions because i have not personally seen anyone else do it like that. It seems usually it’s a tiger claw
I believe Fong Yuk Shu has made changes to other forms. Our siu moi fah for instance appears to be unique to his lineage.
Interesting to note how open minded he seemed to be about training and adopting other methods that addressed issues that he felt needed to be addressed. The evdience suggests that he was mostly concerned with improving his own fighting skills not with maintaining any kind of purity in the system.
originally posted by: clfnole
just curious as buk sing was the only one I have heard use Kau Dah as a set name. They have Sup Gee Kuen and Kau Dah Kuen.
The three of the 5 mainstream forms of the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon are Sup Gee, Kau Da, and Ping Kuen. Buk sing’s Kau Da and Ping kuen and Sup Ji came from Hung Sing.
Since we have our own Sup Ji kau Da kuen i haven’t paid attention if Fut San does have one. I do know they have Sup Ji, Kau Da and Ping Kuen. Cheung Kuen is the other one. And the drunken form may be the fifth of the five general forms. I do think Sup Ji Kau Da came a little later.
i know ours came a little later as Lau Bun didn’t see the sense in having three different forms containing the same exact techniques in them.
Abou Jeung Yim doing sup ji kau da, if i actually said something it must have been from Alex..i forget his last name…but his website mentioned Jeung Yim looking like a tornado when doing that form or something to that effect. the only forms i mentioned from jeung yim would have been the In and out bagua form from Ching Cho and the Drunken form Jeung Yim used often.
The information about Jeung Yim doing sup ji kau da came from an old Chinese language martial arts magazine.
According to the information from fut san, Sup Ji, Kau da, and Ping Kuen were created by Chan Ngau Sing. He is said to have broken up the In and Out Bagua Kuen from Ching Cho which was said to contain 1080 moves in it. Chan Sing felt he needed to break it up for the newer generations who were more impatient than the previous ones.
[QUOTE=CLFNole;1083342]Just curious as buk sing was the only one I have heard use Kau Dah as a set name. They have Sup Gee Kuen and Kau Dah Kuen.QUOTE]
The Tibetan White Crane I learned also has a Kau Da Kyuhn–totally unlike BSCLF’s version. I wonder how many other systems used the name?
The name could be used in other styles like you pointed out, I was just referring to CLF in particular as I have only heard buk sing use kau dah kuen & sup gee kuen as form names but Frank pointed out Fut San Hung Sing also has kau dah kuen and sup gee kuen, which is not all that suprising as Tam Sam was a student of Lui Chan.
The Futsan Hung Sing Sup Jee and Kau Da are almost identical to the Buk Sing iterations? I am going out on a limb here. Need to watch more footage of all these forms.
The Futsan Hung Sing Sup Jee and Kau Da are almost identical to the Buk Sing iterations? I am going out on a limb here. Need to watch more footage of all these forms.
The key to this whole situation is TAM SAM WAS HUNG SING. period. the only choy lee fut forms he knew were from his Hung Sing sifu and a friend. Now, you have to know that there is a Tiger Crane theme of our (hung and buk sing) hoi jong’s. Somewhere down the line, in the opening section they removed the crane essence and turned it ALL tiger. Where Fut San would use palms, Buk Sing changed it to Tiger Claws.
Still, the Sup Ji, Ping and Kau Da Kuen of Buk Sing came from Hung Sing first.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1083469]The key to this whole situation is TAM SAM WAS HUNG SING. period. the only choy lee fut forms he knew were from his Hung Sing sifu and a friend. Now, you have to know that there is a Tiger Crane theme of our (hung and buk sing) hoi jong’s. Somewhere down the line, in the opening section they removed the crane essence and turned it ALL tiger. Where Fut San would use palms, Buk Sing changed it to Tiger Claws.
Still, the Sup Ji, Ping and Kau Da Kuen of Buk Sing came from Hung Sing first.[/QUOTE]
I know this man, but I was more or less referring to the current way people played sets (thinks change over time).
yeah i agree. but if you compare the two sets and know where things were changed you’d see that they are the same. And sorry brah, i was just generally speaking
