sounds great
Hopfully we will have some video on our website in the near future,is choy lay fut the only kung fu style you have trained in??have a good one
start a new thread
lohan chuan should be a new thread not on this thread. Start a new thread:confused: Don’t post a reply go to list of threads and go to the bottom where it says new threads.
I also train in Hun Yuan Chen Shi Tai Ji Chuan…a derivative of Chen Taiji that also has influence from Tong Bei and Xin Yi.
Its about as different from Choy Lay Fut as night is from day.
sounds like a great idea
I’ve seen some differences in CLF even within from the same lineage. Like I’ve seen Mak Kin Fai perform a set and then I’ve seen Li Siu Hung and it’s slightly different.
Also I’ve other lineage Sam Ng, Doc Fai Wong (yeah Fu-Pow his branch does seem to be a bit slow…but I only saw it on crappy vid clip…I wonder what he look like when he was young?), and of course I’ve seen the CLF I use to learn when I was young and how it differs from different students of my sifu.
They all have their good points and I enjoy watching the videos over and over again and seeing how they do the same thing differently. Kind of who does what better kind of thing.
Fu-Pow, sorry if this is off topic. 
I think everyone plays their CLF differently, which is why I like kung fu so much. Within our own line (Lee Koon Hung) so prefer low stances and others high. Some have real long movements and others shorter. Some like to use a lot of power while other opt for a looser type of power.
You will also find differences when people follow a sifu at different times because the sifu’s style will evolve over time. For example Fu-Pow’s sifu, Mak Hin Fai followed Lee Koon Hung in the 1970s, whereas I followed him in the 1990s. Each generation does things slightly different and the students in the 1980s might be slightly different as well.
In the end its all good and a student needs to find their own niche and what works well for them and their body style.
Peace.
CLFNole
Agreed!
It’s really interesting seeing the differences isn’t it?
Thanks for the details.
in defense of DFW…
the lau bun branch for years practiced our gung fu almost at a tai chi speed for decades. As i’ve said in the past, since we were the only choy lee fut in america up until somewhere around the 80’s we had nothing to compare our gung fu to. the same went with lion dancing.
until the likes of Lee Koon Hung (who “we” used to say is Hong Kong Choy Lee Fut because of the flashiness) as well as the lacey’s we began to re-emphasize the life in our forms and now we are up to speed with everyone else. even i had no clue to do our gung fu faster in performances. we did them slow for the crowd to see the technique.
hopefully the new generations of Hung Sing students will better represent our lineage from now on. in fact, i am teaching out of my sifu’s school now and i have some new young classmates that are learning che kuen, but practice it kinda slow.
last night they came in and saw my students in a group practicing che kuen fast and hard. I heard one of the young classmates (highschool age) ask my sifu “what set is that?” and my sifu tells them the one they are learning now., that’s how it looks when its done properly.
peace.
oh yeah, I agree that there should be a separate line for hybrids. that would be cool to see how many pure ones would come to learn both sides. my dream one day is to (for my personal use) learn all three branches of CLF. wow, what an experience that would be?
Frank:
Personally I think a lot of sifus “cross-trained” back in the day. They didn’t have the politics we have today they would just go an learn various specialties from different sifus. I bet many of today’s older sifus are the same although they might not admit it.
Personally I think the LKH lineage has some buk sing influence in it although I cannot be 100% certain. All of our punches are done with some type of panther fist and we have do tradition fist straight punches at all. Fists are held in certain techinques like sow choy, cup choy, etc… but we never do a normal punch will a fist. If that doesn’t scream buk sing I don’t know what does.
Peace.
Mabye it’s me but I think I play my CLF longer than my Sifu . . . . I also have less speed and flexibility than him so my stuff is definitely “harder” not as whippy. . . . . dunno if that’s a good or bad thing. I’ve heard some CLF guys playing it close to Hung Ga and still being good fighters.
As for Buk Sing. . . . . hmmmm well I’d seen alot of the LKH guys stay perfectly straight when doing Yin, Yan or whatever other Chop Choys you have. . . . I tend to drive “in” and lean forward. . . . depending on the technique. I haven’t seen other LKH guys do it.
I’ve talked to the other Hung Sing guys (Sifu Ng up in the UK and stuff) and they never do it like Buk Sing. Different interpretations I guess. . . .
I wouldn’t doubt it if Sigung learned from Buk Sing. After all, back then it was “learn what’s effective” not “learn what’s the most politically correct”
clfnole,
i know thats a strong possibility. it must have been a nicer Choy lee fut world back then.
but when you think you have buk sing in your lineage you must realize first and foremost that buk sing IS hung sing choy lee fut with a little northern flavor. At first when i saw the fut san hung sing choy lee fut people doing there sets, i wasn’t impressed too much. but what got me was they are hardcore muther effers when it comes to fighting. they hit for real. there is a lot of the regular closed fists, and such that you see in buk sing.
the good thing about buk sing is they approach their CLF strictly from a fighting point of view, which means im sure they would throw away stuff that doesn’t work or modify it to make it work. we have always used the closed fist, just more with the thumb tucked on top sow choy like. since we throw a lot of sow choys we usually use that fist over all.
gotta jet, i’m outtie like 5000 gee.
hsk
Frank:
I know hung sing and buk sing are basically the same. What I was implying was the heavy emphasis on the chop choy usage thats all. To me CLF is CLF.
Infrazel:
As a relative neewbie to CLF you will find in the early stages you will always be harder because you have less of an understanding of feel and flow. As you follow your sifu over time you will understand what I mean and your CLF will evolve. The key is to stick with a sifu and follow him. It sounds to me like yo don’t attend your school so much, so my advise would be go as often as you can. Practicing away from the school is nice but without proper supervision you will eventually develop bad habits. CLF can be played long while still being fast, this is the style that Joe (Sow Choy) and I play since this is the way we were taught.
Peace.
father of shane lacey
HSK say that Shane is David Lacey son, this is incorrect, Shane is son of Vince Lacey.
just clarifying so there is no confusion or misunderstanding
i think infrazael also does boxing and muay tai. sounds like he is busy
if i said shane was dave’s son pls put the post where i said this.
I know vince lacey is shane’s father. i paid visits to both of them. and for a minute was having lunch with dave lacey on sundays.
thanks for clarifying that though i really appreciate it.
i look forward to see where i said that. post it up please.
hsk
Um, sorry Frank but he’s got you bang to rights. In your first post on this thread you do indeed identify David lacey as Shane Lacey’s father (it always confuses me, so hey 
).
:o :o :o
[SIZE=“6”]oops, my bad!!![/SIZE]
it was a type-o. i know who’s who. sorry :o
but i don’t know if i ever said this before but i’ll tell this story of when i went to pay a visit to Vince Lacey at his school in Fremont.
Well, since the arrivals of both vince and dave lacey to the bay area we never got to meet them. we would see them around at tournments, and my classmates have competed and won against the buk sing group. So in an act of good will, i paid a visit to the fremont school so we can introduce our selves. i went there alone.
Master Vince Lacey was the perfect host. he showed me around his studio and then took me back to his office. Shane was there in the office and i think one other person. every thing was going smoothly when all of a sudden the air got thick and i sensed something was about to go down. Master Lacey was sitting then turned and faced me with a very serious look on his face.
I knew something was about to jump off so i scooted to the edge of my chair in case it did. but then Master Lacey asked me if my sifu was teaming up with his twin brother (dave) along with the wah ching and Hop sing tong to come after him.
he told me that this well known karate guy (ray lozada-he’s been in mortal kombat and in batman) told him this. well, i set the story straight and put him at ease. i said if we had a problem with them they would hear it straight from us and not some karate guy. He dropped his guard and it was all love again.
but Master Vince Lacey then left the office for a moment and then asked me to follow him. i walked out into the school with him only to find about 20-30 students all standing at attention while Master Lacey introduced me to his school. He then asked them to Bow to me since i’m a sifu under hung sing kwoon. THAT, was a little mind boggling since i didn’t expect such a thing. i completely felt blessed.
hsk