Well said Frank, I agree that CLF is a concept of fighting that has enveloped other styles of fighting. CLF’s signiture tech. are the same and are pretty standard in each version of CLF. I guess every sifu through the years has added their own inprint on CLF. The Clear cloud monestary housed many martial arts masters that added their own flavor into the CLF depending on what their own backround was.
For instance if a guy was good at Hung Kune I don’t see why he would stop using it just because he was learning CLF in the monestary. And the hung is definatly a strong influence in my Sifu’s CLF.
I think the Hung may also be apart of Lau Bun’s Choy Lee Fut as well.
And i think its correct to say that every sifu leaves his earmark on the lineage he holds. most students will imitate how a teacher moves and it that teacher has any quirky movements the students will also pick that up as well. i’ve seen it many times.
what i’m saying is that if i were watching two clf practitioners perform and one is of Lau Bun’s branch and the other is of Lee Koon Hung’s the differences are night and day. but on any given day you would be able to notice by movements alone what lineage of CLF this or that school was from.
another example, I have never seen anyone (aside From Jew Leong who moves differently than some of his students) perform the Ng Ying Kuen than my sifu. He has a special flow of Hard and soft without ever looking weak. I have something on dvd i would like to show but don’t know how to post it, but it is very indicative of my sifu’s flavor. and he moves like no one else in Hung Sing.
the good thing about that is even my sifu’s classmates say when they see me perform they can see my sifu’s movements in mine.
peace
To be honest, Im not sure if I “believe” in “different branches”. I see CLF performed a little differently by every school even within the same line. There are differences in the way individuals perform movements but the concepts are the same. Frank for instane shared applications photos that would have been identical to mine. Yet the way his line performs is different from mine
Gene- you can compare CLF to Shaolin. How many versions of Xiao Hong Chuan have you seen? Also out of the hundreds of forms how many people know all of them? None right?
No one school has all the forms. Nor do they need all of them.
shaolin dynasty,
i totally agree with you. when i was in texas with my students at the Tai CHi legacy one of my students took your sifu’s seminar. I was really close by watching to see what your sifu was going to show my student.
after it was over i really liked your sifu and his approach to choy lee fut, it was very close to the way we apply it. in fact i thought i was looking at my sifu for a quick second. but your apps are very similar and the way you approach others as well.
the funny thing was just the night before the seminar, i was teaching my students the very same thing your sifu covered. so i was impressed and liked your sifu. he called me fei jai, but i don’t think he was insulting me.
peace
Fei Jie (Jie sounds like ‘pie’) ? Is that the way is was pronounced, Frank?
He wasn’t insulting you, but Chinese people call people things or names that we would be insulted by in America.
I won’t mention them by name, but one of my classmates is nicknamed by my Sifu “Mo Gei Sing” and was often refered to as “Dai Fong Si”. In English, not so good, but to Chinese people, it’s okay.
My Sifu often called people “fat guy”, “fat boy” or “fat kid” if they were overweight and didn’t know their name. “Fei Lo, Fei Yan, Fei Jie”
Fei Jie (Jie sounds like ‘pie’) ? Is that the way is was pronounced, Frank?
He wasn’t insulting you, but Chinese people call people things or names that we would be insulted by in America.
I won’t mention them by name, but one of my classmates is nicknamed by my Sifu “Mo Gei Sing” and was often refered to as “Dai Fong Si”. In English, not so good, but to Chinese people, it’s okay.
My Sifu often called people “fat guy”, “fat boy” or “fat kid” if they were overweight and didn’t know their name. “Fei Lo, Fei Yan, Fei Jie”
Oh yea mike very funny That person that you are reffering to is me. Mo ge si meaning forgetful one or bad memory. But he had a funny name for all of us. Sweet potatoe head smiling tiger baldy. It’s kinda like a coach gives his players nick names like button head and romeo and things like that.
It’s done in a playful compassionate way that shouldn’t be taken to heart, besides I caught Sifu CTS boasting about me just as much as he complaned about me.
The fact is that back then I knew I would spend most of my life living up to his rep even after his death. I’m sure of one thing that if he is looking down from the heavens he would definatly be proud of me.
It’s simple in life you shouln’t care what people say about you, as long as you follow a rightious and honorable path. As long as you can look at your self in the mirror and like what you see that’s all that counts.
Then again for those who don’t follow a spiritual path or believe in karma, what I think is meaningless to them. So I guess they need to constantly be reassured that they are liked and respected.
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LOL, I was just using that as an example Gus…
I wasn’t going to say who it was…
Don’t be so defensive…just explaining to Frank, that what we might consider in English to be offensive, the Chinese find more endearing.
What’s with all the ranting about Sifu looking at you from the heavens? Dude, lighten up…
It’s done in a playful compassionate way that shouldn’t be taken to heart, besides I caught Sifu CTS boasting about me just as much as he complaned about me.
Where’s that coming from? I didn’t even mention WHO the nickname was for! You are the one who brought it up. And who said anything about boasting or complaining? Bro’, c’mon now. I warned you about getting flamed-up about stuff on these forums…I told you how easy it is to get sucked in…just have some fun…
And I think the whole “Karma” rant was a bit over the top..
What the
Mike you lighten up I’m not sure what youre talking about, I was sharing something with Frank, not directing my comment to you. As far as getting all melencoly about sifu well sorry if it set you off or something.
As far as flayming Once again I’m not sure where you are going with that, maybee youre talking about some broke back mountain ****.
Read my post again It realy had nothing to do with you, except for the fact that I was revealing what my nick name was. Don’t worry I won’t tell anyone yours.
And onother thing as far as your warnings go what are you a moderator or something. Let seven star come in to this and have him read my coment and lets ask him if my coment was in anyway a flame starter.
here is the deal if youre going to converse with me on the forum stop being so defensive and paranoid and by the way don’t talk to me in an authoritive manner.
What are we revealing government secrets or something common dude give me a break with the oooooh don’t let the forum suck you in danger you have bee warned. LOL You should realy listen to your self.
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Gus, I apologize to you for your misunderstanding of my post. I am only playing around. Don’t take me so seriously, my brother.
I thought you sounded ****ed-off about me explaining the nickname thing to Frank. I wasn’t trying to direct anything towards you…just giving Frank an example…
No problem bro it’s all good sometime things get lost in translation.
Greencloudtj…thanks for the support.
Mike T.J. has trained with me for one year and weighs about 230 to 235 and has had no fights. not even in a kung fu tourney. This will be his first event anyway it’s all in fun and for a good cause. TJ just asked me to relay the message since he has not yet had a chance to go on line. I think your guy might have more experience and I believe he has had a few fights right??
Anyway it doesn’t matter who wins in this case it’s all the same family.
That brings back a bad memory. In one of the schools I trained at there was this fat lazy kid Sifu always called fay jie when he talked about him. One of the guys who helped with the kids class and didn’t know the translation thought that was his name so one time while he was trying to teach him during the open practise part of class he kept calling him Fay Jie. A few days later his mother showed up and had a screaming fit.
Gus,
Damien has been training with me for almost a year. He is an old Anthony Tardy student, who used to live in Staten Island, but moved to LI last year. He has one fight so far, unfortunately, it was a loss. I’m sure it’ll be a fun fight and since you have so many other guys fighting, it’s still us against them!