Hello,
Anyone intersted in Chiu Kau’s Hung gar should check out this link to a 1956 Hong kong news story that was recently translated by grandmaster Chiu chi ling and myself.You may also wish to check out the affiliated links listed there.
Regards,
Rob
http://www.geocities.com/sifulopez93/night_vision.html
Where did you learn Chinese?
where did you learn english?
Pure Hung Gar
Hello Rob,
If this translation is good, and I think it is, this article is extremely interesting. Chiu Kau, with his understanding of orthodox Wong Fei Hong Hung Gar through Wong Sai Wing, must have been the perfect student for Lam Sai Wing, cause he had a sound background.
Is it possible that Chiu Kau has blended the Lam Sai Wing style with this knowledge of orthodox Wong Fei Hong Hung Gar?
What is your opinion?
GrMs,
Yes, the unique qualities of Chiu family hung gar are very apparent and are due to the influence of Chiu kau’s first hung gar teacher. This knowledge was passed on to Chiu kau by Wong sai wing. This was a very combat oriented method, having been tested in the very tough challenge matches of that time and region.
We are very lucky to have this passed on to our generation. The heart penetrating palm and butterfly palm sets are said to be an example of the prowess conveyed to Chiu kau during his early stages of training.
Another interesting development is the knowledge that the Chui family was passed on to by the great “Tigress” of Hung gar, Mok gwai lan, Who was the last wife of Wong fei hung.
Chiu chi ling was a favorite of Mok gwai lan , something like a favorite grandson.
As for the possible blending you mentioned, yes , my opinion is based on what I was taught as well as observation and Q and A. We have a rich gold mine of Hung gar thanks to Chiu kau and this is now bieng taught by his sons Chiu chi ling and chiu wei.
Regards,
Rob
Now I understand !!!
Hello Rob,
You’re right. That’s why the Chiu Family Hung Gar has this distinct flavour. A perfect mix of Traditional Hung Gar of Wong Fei Hung and the Modified Hung Gar by Lam Sai Wing.
And I think you are right by stating that Chiu Chi Ling Sifu has also added to this flavour by studying under Wong Fei Hung’s wife Mok Gwai Lan.
Regards,
Klaas
Rob,
Thanks for replying.
Learning from Mok Gwai Lan?
Chiu Chi Ling always came with his parents to official parties of the Wong Fei Hung School. As he was a little kid Mok Gwai Lan paid him some attention, but that’s it.
Lee Chan Wor was her godson and took care of Mok Gwai Lan.
Wong Sai Wing?
Where in the article is mentioned who’s student he was?
He’s listed in Lam Sai Wing lineage as one of the old students.
What about the movie kung fu influence in CCL’s style?
Hello Jan Seung,
Can you tell me who made this Lam Sai Wing Lineage you are referring to?
And maybe you can also tell me when this lineage was made. Was it made during his lifetime or later?
To Jan Seung,
With your questions you pose like a beginner. But your answers
reveal that you know more, or at least you think you know more.
Your just provoking.
I take the word of my Sifu for his relationship to Mok Gwai Lan, and also the word of my Sigung concerning Wong Sai Wing being a student of Wong Fei Hung.
Don’t think that movies influenced or affected my Sifu’s style. Chiu Chi Ling’s style is purest Hung Gar learned from both his father and his mother.
Where do you see movie influence?
jan sueng,
Actually, you could say that Chiu Family Hung gar has influenced Many Hong Kong movies , as many Shaw brothers actors learned from Chiu chi ling. It would be retarded to think it the other way around.
Our information is passed to us by word of mouth in person, Where does your info come from?? Inspector gadget perhaps??
Rob
Inspector gadget? Who’s that?
Try his nephews.
Provoking - no, just making sure the truth is being revealed.
Promotion is okay, but some people really go to far. See the Wong Fei Hung topic and the picture.
To Jan Seung
What is the truth?
What is your truth?
We are only revealing information that in our opinion is correct.
That other branches have other opinions is o.k., but what is it based on? Based on a lineage chart made up years after the death of GM Lam Sai Wing?
It’s just a piece of paper, and too many branches already shot holes in it.
Wong Sai Wing was a student of Wong Fei Hung. Just read the interview of 1956 with care.
Chiu Kau Sigung learned Wong Fei Hung’s Hung Gar from Wong Sai Wing. After some 13 years of studying Hung Gar he went to Hong Kong were he found a new teacher in the renowned Hung Gar Master Lam Sai Wing.
Promotion?
Talking about a picture of Wong Fei Hung is great promotion for the art of Hung Gar.
Imho it does not matter if this picture is the real picture of Wong Fei Hung. You have to look a little further. What does this picture stand for? What does it mean to many Hung Gar stylists?
See this picture as a present of GM Chiu Chi Ling to the Hung Gar Community.
To your information. This picture is also shown at the Wong Fei Hung Museum in Foshan and in the Wong Fei Hung Lion Dance and Kung Fu Center in Xijiao Village, birthplace of Wong Fei Hung and his father Wong Kai Ying.
They also use this picture for the promotion of our beloved art.
Nothing wrong with that.
GrMs,
There was a school record kept by Lam Sai Wing when he was teaching in Guangdong.
South Paw,
The remarkable thing in my eyes is that now suddenly CCL’s kung fu would be more authentic.
I just think this is curious. So why wouldn’t I be critical?
Lee Chan Wor Sifu, one of my old (but short time) teachers, said Mok Gwai Lan never taught CCL.
What further lineage you use, is not of my interest.
Hello Jan Seung,
Who is the present owner of this school record?
Jan Seung,
I did not say that the Hung Gar of GM Chiu Chi Ling is more authentic. But it has his distinct flavour, as have the other branches.
We use this lineage:
Wong Fei Hung
Lam Sai Wing
Chiu Kau
Hello Jan Seung,
A second question just popped up.
Could Wong Sai Wing have also been recorded by Wong Fei Hung in his school record?
This may sound silly, cause we know no such record(s) exist. But just hypothetically: Could he also have been a student of Wong Fei Hung, later following Lam Sai Wing?
hello hung gar brothers
i want to know if somebody knows the chinese names of the david lee’s weapons forms in his panther tapes and if anyone train the same forms .
To Garra de Tigre,
David Lee is a student of Chiu Chi Ling Sifu, so specificly members of the Chiu Family, but in general all Hung Gar stylists having Lam Sai Wing in their lineage, will use or know (most of) these forms.
For information on the sets, please look at:
http://www.siulam.info/
Select “sets & techniques” to search for the names.