Long time since I posted. Has anyone heard about China MMA yet. Can some of you vets take a look and give me your intelligent opinions.
Check out the website: http://www.mmachina.com:81/en/?q=node/18
Looks pretty cool to me. Similar rules to UFC, but I think you can use knees and bows when someone is down. This looks like a great venue for CMA folks that have been training for MMA to break out.
That is going to crush a lot of delusions on this board! Good stuff IMO.
Thanks
Jake 
It’s always good to see new MMA. I think this could be really cool but if you notice its not tradiitional cma by any means. It’s MMA in general and some of the fighters short bio’s state greco-roman wrestling and boxing.
Either way its sweet that the chinese are getting into the game.
How about a San Shou vs Kareem from the game of death? This dude is a wheel kicking, spin kicking and axe kicking machine. A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn1hgpySMCM&mode=related&search=
"Thanks for the invite. It’s great to see Chinese martial artists breaking free of classical kungfu and making headways in the new era of mixed martial arts. Eventhough it was a China man, by the name of Bruce Lee, who both popularized and exposed the shortcomings of classic kungfu, thereby in the process became the first modern day mixed martial artists, Chinese had fallen behind in the development of MMA. While the Americans and Japanese listened intently to Bruce Lee’s gospels, the Chinese turned kungfu into wushu, into dance and talked about chi nonsense with no sparring. China is the motherland of all martial arts, including karate, jujitsu, muay thai. It’s about time Chinese martial artists show the world they havn’t forgotten the root and spirit of martial arts. It’s about time China shows the world the art of war. "
The above was a comment posted on their YouTube site. Kind’ve says it all.
[QUOTE=MightyB;836655]"Thanks for the invite. It’s great to see Chinese martial artists breaking free of classical kungfu and making headways in the new era of mixed martial arts. Eventhough it was a China man, by the name of Bruce Lee, who both popularized and exposed the shortcomings of classic kungfu, thereby in the process became the first modern day mixed martial artists, Chinese had fallen behind in the development of MMA. While the Americans and Japanese listened intently to Bruce Lee’s gospels, the Chinese turned kungfu into wushu, into dance and talked about chi nonsense with no sparring. China is the motherland of all martial arts, including karate, jujitsu, muay thai. It’s about time Chinese martial artists show the world they havn’t forgotten the root and spirit of martial arts. It’s about time China shows the world the art of war. "
The above was a comment posted on their YouTube site. Kind’ve says it all.
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Here, here !!
Shanghaied
“a step towards the pre-war days of famous schools and infamous ‘lei-tai’ challenge matches.” :rolleyes:
Taikang Lu martial arts
Taikang Lu is best known for its quiet galleries, trendy cafes and relaxed atmosphere but hidden away inside Building Three are a group who take beating you into submission very seriously. Unlikely as it sounds, studio 311 is home to top Brazilian Jujitsu and MMA trainer Tony Eduardo Lima.
Mixed Martial Arts encompasses several styles and professional competition circuits. American and Japanese fans follow big fights and big names in comps such as K-1, UFC and Pride, but it is just starting to catch on in China. Once the sport had time to develop it became apparent that Jujitsu fighters were dominating and soon all fighters were coming to teachers like Tony Lima to get ‘ground game’. In Brazil, the art is highly traditional and highly developed through the Gracie Family and their schools. It is a complete style and a way of life.
Inspired by the Gracies, Tony Lima trained BJJ since he was twelve years old. His friend, Shanghai based Ryan Melchiano, was returning to the city and persuaded him to come along for the ride. The new studio at Taikang Lu is a welcome addition to Shanghai’s growing martial arts scene and definitely a step towards the pre-war days of famous schools and infamous ‘lei-tai’ challenge matches.
Professor Lima’s studio is at Studio 311, Building 3, Lane 210 Taikang Lu.
[QUOTE=Hard Fists;739036]Long time since I posted. Has anyone heard about China MMA yet. Can some of you vets take a look and give me your intelligent opinions.
Check out the website: http://www.mmachina.com:81/en/?q=node/18
Looks pretty cool to me. Similar rules to UFC, but I think you can use knees and bows when someone is down. This looks like a great venue for CMA folks that have been training for MMA to break out.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the post. You can use elbows on a downed opponent in UFC, but you cant use knees to the head on the ground. In the old Pride, knees and soccer kicks to a downed opponent’s head were fair game.
Politics and CMA
[QUOTE=GeneChing;851478]“a step towards the pre-war days of famous schools and infamous ‘lei-tai’ challenge matches.” :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I think pride and politics was two of the main reasons for the delayed attempt to put together an organization in China. Each country has their own perspective of MMA, and they probably would like to have their styles portrayed as effective in MMA events. So I wouldn’t be surprised to see combatants with training in Sanda / San Shou, Shuai Jiao, Boxing, and BJJ or Catch Wrestling.
I have an online friend (Mike) who is a SJ practitioner in China, and a commentator for the AOW events. He’s seen how this has done a great deal for the CMA there.
As far as lei-tai, this concept still exists in a lot of Sanda / San Shou matches all over China, and there is an organization the US (Maryland) that host “lei tai” events.
For more information, you can check this link
http://www.usksf.org/
to Geneching
lol i go to that bjj club in taikang lu. i only joined last month and i havent gone many times because im always going back and forth from dengfeng to shanghai. hopefully now i will be training there more often (im going tonight lol).
the club its self is a very small but very talented bunch of people. iv never done jiujitsu before and already iv learnt so much. the teachers are very friendly and have a vast amount of knowledge in bjj and mma.
if there’s anyone in shanghai you guys should come down and join us. every one is friendly and willing to learn. the website is http://www.shanghaibjj.com/
MMA as is seen in USA and Europe has a long way to go in China because when you are thrown in China, that is usually a loss!
The US version is that a throw is not sufficient but you have to submit or TKO the opponent for a win to be registered!
[QUOTE=mawali;852789]MMA as is seen in USA and Europe has a long way to go in China because when you are thrown in China, that is usually a loss!
The US version is that a throw is not sufficient but you have to submit or TKO the opponent for a win to be registered![/QUOTE]
The US/Europe version of MMA seems accurate enough to be used on Art of War events in China. I can understand that concept in Shuai Jiao tournaments or Lei Tai events (when people are pushed off the platform). I’m kind of confused to where you are coming from.
s’about freakin time.
MMA double KO
Not sure if this has been posted yet but here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm9APLkGy7M&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh+div-1r-2-HM
UFC China
I mentioned this yesterday on the Zhang Tie Quan - Chinese fighter in WEC thread.
* August 31, 2010, 9:10 AM HKT
The country that brought the world martial arts is about to get a taste of American-style extreme fighting, with the introduction of the Ultimate Fighting Championship organization in Asia.
The fight organizer and promoter for the form of sports-combat called mixed martial arts announced that it would be setting up a foothold in Asia. The company didn’t specify where it would set up shop, but its new chief in Asia is Mark Fischer, a former exec with the National Basketball Association Inc., who lives in Beijing.
As part of its sop to Chinese audiences, the UFC is also touting the addition of an Inner Mongolian lightweight bruiser named Zhang Tiequan to a televised bout through its sister organization, World Extreme Cagefighting. The group said it will also leverage its existing ties with the China National Wushu Federation to drum up support and talent.
Mixed martial artists may combine elements from many styles of hand-to-hand combat or wrestling in their repertoire, or fights can pit combatants who specialize in one type of combat against someone who trained in a different fighting form.
To manage UFC’s Asian business, the fight group owned by Las Vegas-based Zuffa LLC is turning to Fischer with the hope that some of his magic touch in marketing the NBA can rub off on their fledgling Asian franchise.
Basketball has been one of the few American sports imports to become a winner in China.
Under Fischer’s direction from 2003 to 2008, the NBA managed to ink more than 20 marketing partnerships with leading brands in the country. Tsingtao, for instance, is now the official beer of the NBA in China. The NBA has actually set up a separate corporate entity for its China operations, which was valued at $2.3 billion when it was set up in 2008.
Other sports, which came to the party a little later, just haven’t had the hot hand when it comes to gaining acceptance in the Chinese market.
National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing Inc. executives went on a China junket in 2007 to drum up sponsors and gauge what potential interest might exist for its brand of high-octane, fuel-fired racing thrills. So far, the answer appears to be very little. Meanwhile, the National Football League set its sights on China in 2009 and has been staging exhibitions and rebroadcasting games in the country with Chinese color-commentary. However it, too, seems to be getting blitzed in China.
Sports like auto-racing, football, and even baseball suffer from a want of attention in a country where the focus is on winning medals and national glory.
Major League Baseball has a 10-year development program that it has recently put in place in the country, but there are doubts about how successful it can be, according to reports in state media outlets. The marquee stadium in Beijing, built for the Olympic Games in 2008, has already been demolished to make room for new real estate developments.
Some sports fans and industry experts are skeptical about the UFC’s prospects as well. “I think that it’s interesting, but not sure how much of a market exists here, since people are very much into wushu, taekowndo and other ‘traditional’ martial arts,” said one sports marketing professional. “UFC is a little out of the mold.”
Meanwhile, a 30-year-old Taiwanese fan of the UFC who was educated in the US, said the UFC bouts might be too much for Chinese fans. “I don’t know how the Chinese will react to the violence of the UFC, but it’s going to be exciting to see it come home after being treated by the wash cycle of western entertainment.”
– Jonathan Shieber
It looks like this is the right forum for me to post my view on MMA. I have been studying lately on sparring program design for my personal training purpose. MMA is one way of free fight included in my study. Here is my view - as a contest and training format, it is too violent and unsafe. For example, attack continues when the opponent is knocked down to the floor. In other MA context like San Da, it will be stopped by the referee way earlier. Another difference is that in San Da training, elbow and knee strike are allowed. While in context, these two weapons are forbidden.
From the statistics of fatality in the two MA events of Boxing and MMA, have we taken into account of the number of matches done yearly, and thus figure out the ratio of fatality? Also, the rules of the game are one thing, and how they are being carried out is another.
KC
Hong Kong
Meanwhile, a 30-year-old Taiwanese fan of the UFC who was educated in the US, said the UFC bouts might be too much for Chinese fans. “I don’t know how the Chinese will react to the violence of the UFC, but it’s going to be exciting to see it come home after being treated by the wash cycle of western entertainment.”
interesting that the guy thinks mma might be too violent for the chinese audience…
really??? you’d think they could handle a fair fist fight that involves no eye pokes, throat tears crotch beatings and no freakin swords… i mean come on… too violent??? it doesnt sound right to me… but im not chinese from china so i dunno… anyone have an opinion about that???
do chinese feel ufc is too violent for their tastes???