Pigs have been measured to have the intelligence of a small toddler. All you guys screaming about how ignorant the chinese are to eat animals like dog and cat are you gonna stop eating your side of roast pork now?
Or are you a bunch of ethnocentric hypocrites?
Every animal is just meat when it is dead. It is up to your value system to decide for yourself what should be killed and what should not be killed.
Whats the difference between the two? The biggest reason is that dogs, and cats eat meat, and for the most part here in the U.S. the animals killed are those that are herbivores or those that eat insects.
I think there is a difference in taste, I heard animals that are carnivores or omnivores don’t taste as good. I don’t know, I’ve tried gator and found it to be good.
Actually, the real difference is the many thousands of years of co-evolution between dogs and man.
Dog’s only exist as a species because we bred them to be companions. Dogs as meat came later.
The US caused deaths in the thousands in Iraq because of 0 WMDs
set your standard of morality right.
I guess I’ll jump in on this one.
I remember years ago there was a doc. on HBO about cruel treatment of animals by people throught the world. It was really gruesome. I remember cat’s being skinned and boiled alive in China gagging in the hot water.
In Spain, on Saint’s days, it was shown how they commonly throw livestock (goats) off of buildings to their deaths (how this commemorates the life of a saint, I don’t know). How the crowd can cheer this without being sick I don’t know either.
On the net, I did read that in Korea they hang dogs up by the neck and cut pieces of skin and meat off them to cook (while the dog is howling in pain). The whole “adrenalilne” story above I have also heard before (I think on a Peta website).
I’m sure other countries (including my own) are just as cruel. My point is not to criticize any particular country. My personal problem is not with consumption of any animal for food (That’s just a part of nature…everything living eats something that was once alive). My problem is lack of human compassion in any culture. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a dog, or dolphin, or chicken.
If youre going to eat something, why not kill it humanely or at least quickly. As human beings we have empathy (regardless of culture). I don’t get how some humans can be devoid of that trait when it comes to torturing another living thing (human or animal).
As a side note, of course we cant expect much in a world where people are cruel enough to each other. But, this is not about priorities, we are discussing treatment of animals on this thread. It’s an issue involving treatment of all life. I think that if youre going to respect and value the life of an animal (even if it will be used for food) you will probably do the same to your fellow man.
And yes, I get the point of certain emergency situations such as the plague where the carrier has to be wiped out…that’s understandable. So, to me, yes there are justified causes. I guess that has to be determined case by case.
Another side note, several serial killers started out as children who enjoyed torturing animals. I think that treatment of animals and people are not seperate, they go hand in hand. The key quality is empathy. If you have it, you don’t discriminate. If I feel sorry for a human in pain, I’ll feel sorry for an animal in pain as well.
That’s just me. If you think differently that’s fine. Everyone has their own take on the situation and I’m not trying to present a definitive point of view, just mine. I’m sure it’s not flawless. It’s just for the sake of discussion.
How to get this thread back OT
Jackie Chan backs call for end to Chinese dog slaughter
01/09/2006
Hong Kong action hero Jackie Chan has thrown his support behind an animal rights group that is campaigning for China to find alternatives to the mass slaughter of dogs to control rabies outbreaks.
Chan, famed internationally for his roles in the Rush Hour movies, signed a card for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta) to be auctioned on eBay as a fundraiser for the group’s Asia-Pacific humane rabies control campaign.
“Of course it is our duty as human beings to love and respect each other. But that obligation extends to our animal friends as well,” says the heart-shaped card, signed, “Love, Jackie Chan.”
Chan, who recently acquired a pair of golden retriever puppies, is a long-term supporter of Peta.
The group is leading a drive to end dog slaughters that have drawn strong condemnation abroad and unusually critical remarks from China’s official media.
Tens of thousands of dogs have been killed – most of them clubbed to death - this year in areas where people have died of rabies, a growing problem especially in the countryside.
Authorities defend the practice as the only way to control such outbreaks, but critics say it’s just a stopgap measure that underscores deficiencies in the public health care system.
After the slaughters were reported, Peta announced it was cancelling all orders of merchandise from China.
The group, which has in recent years led a drive against the wearing of fur in China, is working with the Chinese government to improve rabies vaccinations and treatment, expand sterilisation and the use of humane euthanasia and better public education on rabies.
“With Jackie’s help, we hope to make dog culling a thing of the past,” Peta’s Asia Pacific director Jason Baker was quoted as saying in a news release. “Humane rabies prevention programs not only save dogs’ lives, they also save human lives.”
The Humane Society of the United States has also said it will give China £50,000 (€74,000) to vaccinate dogs against rabies if it promises to immediately stop such killings.
It’s pretty sickening how humans treat animals, plants, etc., on this planet.
There was this terrible show on T.V. the other day about how they kill pigs in pig farms. I checked with my brother and it is all true. (They use these bolt guns).
I’m swearing off pigs from now on. And I’ll never eat dog. (Although dogs are kindof stupid). Bottom line is you wouldn’t kill a 3 year old human with a bolt gun, and you wouldn’t club a 3 year old human to death, right?
So why hurt poor animals?
they need to get more vets and more rabie shots standard like in the usa.
plus dog tastes good. i know from exp in china :eek: 
what a stupid example
[QUOTE=lunghushan;703615] Bottom line is you wouldn’t kill a 3 year old human with a bolt gun, and you wouldn’t club a 3 year old human to death, right?
So why hurt poor animals?[/QUOTE]
Well, I would hope that you wouldn’t eat a three year-old human no matter how it was prepared!:eek:
[QUOTE=unkokusai;704033]Well, I would hope that you wouldn’t eat a three year-old human no matter how it was prepared!:eek:[/QUOTE]
How do you decide what to eat and what not to eat? Is it just because it’s human or not? Or do you measure by intelligence?
Dogs and pigs are about the intelligence of a 2-3 year old human. Scientists say Dolphins (mammal) are probably just as or more intelligent. So if you wouldn’t eat a person, then why would you eat a dog or a pig? Or a dolphin?
If we were to travel to another planet, do we eat anything that isn’t human? Even they can communicate with each other? Or do we decide by something else?
Anyways, whatever. While I don’t condone China’s decision, who am I to say? They eat pretty much any animals except humans in China. Human placenta is even eaten.
[QUOTE=lunghushan;704042]How do you decide what to eat and what not to eat? Is it just because it’s human or not? Or do you measure by intelligence?
Dogs and pigs are about the intelligence of a 2-3 year old human. Scientists say Dolphins (mammal) are probably just as or more intelligent. So if you wouldn’t eat a person, then why would you eat a dog or a pig? Or a dolphin?[/QUOTE]
Well, at least we know you are safe to eat!:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=unkokusai;704073]Well, at least we know you are safe to eat!:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Is it possible to have an intelligent conversation with any of you?
[QUOTE=lunghushan;704077]Is it possible to have an intelligent conversation with any of you?[/QUOTE]
Not if you are involved, pig-boy.
[QUOTE=unkokusai;704099]Not if you are involved, pig-boy.[/QUOTE]
Asura loka.
Actually over 2000 people died of rabies…
Funny how lots of people will “eat up” anything with respect to Chinese martial arts, but, when it comes to other aspects of Chinese culture, we Americans are on the moral “high road”. I’m sure the Chinese would gladly sell all of their extra dogs at a very good price, maybe $1 each, to the humane people out there who will take them off their hands, as opposed to simply crying “wolf” and pointing fingers to line their “humane association” coffers. Or maybe all the humane types would like to make a collection to neuter the Chinese animals to help curb the population. Fat chance. Money talks and BS walks, folks. When the US economy was similar to that of China in the old days, we did much, much worse to animals over here. The US Forest Service single-handedly wiped out the Mexican wolf. Buffalo, alligators, the Carolina parakeet, the passenger pigeon, and many others wiped out or nearly so, and not even in the name of public health. Want to kill a coyote by any means possible? Perfectly legal most anywhere right now. Presently, our “holier-than-thou” saviors of humanity and everything else are in the process of trying to wipe out the “bull breeds” of dogs. I have read of one city which wants to ban all pets entirely, thereby making the world safe (for them at least). Obviously few people on this thread have had the experience of not getting enough protein in their diet for years on end, or knowing someone who died of rabies, the plague, or some other lethal communicable disease. And who among us can say one way of being killed is better than another way? Noone has come back yet discuss the relative merits of “humane euthanization” versus a conk on the head. America needs to get its head out of its own a**hole. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t cast stones.
So, you’re defending the practice of ripping beloved family pets out of the arms of children out for their morning walk and bashing their brains open on the street right in front of them?
Oh come on now guys…
Let’s not get in a flame war about puppies. Puppies are soooo cute. Let’s get back OT with Jackie Chan and his cute puppies.
'Ol Jackie is starting to look like a Shar Pei himself!