If you have a spare minute, SIGN THIS PETITION

I recognise that this post was worded extremely badly and I do apologize if I offended anyone.

If you haven’t already signed this petition, then you **** well should!

I was in China for 6 months and came across numerous ‘markets’ that showed China doesn’t give two ****s about animal rights (or anyones/anythings rights come to think of it). I saw lots and lots of caged dogs and other similarly distressing things, but never even knew it was commonplace to SKIN DOGS ALIVE!

Its absolutely HIDEOUS behaviour. More and more I am coming closer to hating Chinas ways, which is a complete irony as I am fascinated by many aspects of their culture. Seeing this sort of treatment to animals makes me want to quit Kung Fu and quit anything else that promotes this sick country.

Evil people…wolf in sheeps clothing!

www.animalsaviours.org

Problem is that you can sign petitions til you’re blue in the face but it’s not going to do a dam bit of good.

China hasn’t gotten past abusing people…animals are way down on the list.

You haven’t seen the roasted dog for sale on the street corner or the cats (pets) in cages next to the chickens (food) in cages?

Did you ever wonder where the meat in your meals comes from when you can travel around the country and not see a single cow?
:D:D:D

I love how you just classified myself and 1.3 billion other people into “evil people, wolf in sheep’s clothing.”

Fascinating logic you have.

One thing about the “dog abuse” in China vs. the West is that in the West dogs are seen as “man’s best friend” and whatnot.

But primarily in China a dog is sometimes used and referred to as a symbol of something vile or bad, and when cursing people many times will refer to them as “dogs.” So in China there is not really the social norm of “respecting” dogs like in the West.

dog is man’s best friend.

yes. some people eat dog’s meat

the black color male dog is most wanted.

cat is usually considered guardian of the underworld or hell.

cat may steal your spirits.

you would have 7 years of bad luck, if you see a dead cat.

cat would catch mouse and rat that would other wise eat people’s crops and produces.

  1. not all people eat dog meats

  2. nobody really eats cat meats

horse, deer, snake, rabbit, –

come to think of it

I am not much of a meat eater

dunno about others.


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all animals are food to someone somewhere.

its all part of the universe.

even veggies kill plants to eat.

its part of life.

GFT.

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/china/local-news/other/2008/12/19/188363/China-protest.htm

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my brother never eat meat since college days in the 1980’

due to buddhist belief

however, he told me that there is a very good restaurant

in LA county.

it is a vegetarian restaurant, every thing is made of soy product

so you may order fish, pork, beef taste like dishes

they are soy and not out of any fish, pig or cattle slaughtered

my sis is a strong advocate against any food animal slaughter

she even protested at pig, cattle and chicken slaughter houses

she asked me to sign petitions in Taiwan plenty of times

:eek:

This thread has been sidetracked. It has nothing to do with slaughtering animal for food.

The original post linked

www.animalsaviours.org

According to this link their complaint is that animals are being skinned alive for their fur. Apparently it is easier to skin a live animal than a dead one.

However, as I said, their is absolutely nothing that we can do other than not buy Chinese products…especially fur.

I wonder how some people in India might feel about McDonalds. There are factory farms that horribly kill cattle in the most disgusting ways.

And yet, there are many in North America and elsewhere who happily eat their happy meals.

Demonizing a people for their dietary habits? really?

Monkeyfoot, you read like a prejudiced fool.

check yourself before posting these things.

thanks.

Demonizing a people for their dietary habits? really?

Monkeyfoot, you read like a prejudiced fool.

…and David, you obviously don’t read at all.

As mentioned by BoulderDawg (he is the only person here who actually READ my post), I was not talking about Chinas dietary habits but the fact that they skin animals alive for fur. This has nothing to do with food what so ever!

I suggest you actually read correctly next time rather than jumping to irrelevant conclusions.

[QUOTE=monkeyfoot;941339]…and David, you obviously don’t read at all.

As mentioned by BoulderDawg (he is the only person here who actually READ my post), I was not talking about Chinas dietary habits but the fact that they skin animals alive for fur. This has nothing to do with food what so ever!

I suggest you actually read correctly next time rather than jumping to irrelevant conclusions.[/QUOTE]

don’t be what you read.

first of all, you’d be hard pressed to find this as a regular practice. You will find isolated incidences of it.

secondly, wearing fur is not to my taste anyway, but I can’t see what good a petition would do. where would you send it? Who would care what you think? How do you know it still goes on?

How do you know it’s for real in the first place? How do you know that the site you posted isn’t some propaganda site that serves to distract from even more serious issues of the day?

Why would you be concerned about some web hyped situation that may or may not be true when there are much more pressing issues like why are people in the world starving to death? or why is their continuous war being waged in the middle east with no end in site and thousands of casualties every year that consist of people who are not involved in any ideological conflict that is trumped up the ensure continued arms sales?

Deal with putting big rocks in the jar first, then the smaller ones, then pour the sand in and then add the water.

animal rights activism in my opinion is mostly a lot of crap that takes away from human rights development. If human rights were met, animals would be taken care of in kind.

Logical progression seems to escape people who get weighted down in the muck and mire of what is and what is not significant and how to problem solve.

so you are ok with eating them but not wearing their fur? Is that your point about chastising others?

Hey, you know we get real upset when you club the baby seals. skin a dog or cat alive, gas a mink - but no one cares much when you slaughter a cow or a sow.

To paraphrase Dennis Leary, we only want to protect the cute ones.

Skinning dogs alive sucks. But the totalitarian regime the PRC espouses has a lot of fans among our ‘progressive’ elites - like George Soros.

Honestly, we are looking at cultural evolution. The PRC is evolving. Despite massive, endemic corruption, there are honest attempts to control it. Despite arrogant officials abusing power, the are efforts to curtail it - both inside and outside the power structure.

There ae certainly large groups of people in China who would find skinning a dog alive to be a terrible thing. Just as there are those to whom it is no big deal. Inhumanity is humanities struggle.

Speaking up is a good thing. Demonizing a whole culture* is just wrong - and won’t really rally those in that culture who agree with you.

The PRC is a tough character, but for every bad thing you can say, I bet there is a good thing too. For example, if you leave out politics and religion - in many ways you are more free to do what you want in business in China than in the US. Older folks are treated better and are ‘cool’ versus discriminated dross in the US.

My belief is that change is won gradually, not through violence, only then is the outcome lasting. Violence, hatred and anger lead often to more problems than existed in the first place.

*exception to this rule are cultures that are based entirely on war and oppression. Cultures that harbor hatred, violence and anger for the ‘other.’ Once common, but changing throughout the world, we must have the courage to stand up to oppressors - but also to not be warlike busybodies ourselves.

Okay - I’m all over the map here. Back to work…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBpV1G68-vw

I am against bear farming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t5wHTGbQEY

I am against Japanese whaling.

I am–

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[QUOTE=monkeyfoot;941339]…and David, you obviously don’t read at all.

As mentioned by BoulderDawg (he is the only person here who actually READ my post), I was not talking about Chinas dietary habits but the fact that they skin animals alive for fur. This has nothing to do with food what so ever!

I suggest you actually read correctly next time rather than jumping to irrelevant conclusions.[/QUOTE]

Well, the funniest thing was that this guy continued to talk about slaughtering animals for food. Then after commenting on a point that was never part of the original argument he calls you a fool and suggest that you check yourself before posting…All of this after I had made it crystal clear that the post was about killing animals for fur not food.:smiley:

I think some apologies are in order here.

[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;941361]Well, the funniest thing was that this guy continued to talk about slaughtering animals for food. Then after commenting on a point that was never part of the original argument he calls you a fool and suggest that you check yourself before posting…All of this after I had made it crystal clear that the post was about killing animals for fur not food.:smiley:

I think some apologies are in order here.[/QUOTE]

apologies for what?

the guy is stating he -is that much closer to hating the chinese- because of some BS propaganda that he read. Which in actuality is just an excuse to go on about how he hates the chinese.

apologize?

screw that. :mad:

he can take his thinly veiled racist nonsense elsewhere. and fwiw, it was NOT made clear in his original post that it was about fur, it was merely about animal abuse. read it again.

yes im chinese im a wolf in sheep clothing im evil
now im gonna skin alive some baby orangatans rape a cat in the ass and eat aborted fetuses

go fuk your mother

I can see monkey paw’s point. If you are passionate about a moral or ethical position and all of a sudden you are thrust into a culture that does not share those same beliefs it can be upsetting.

Is it wrong to stone a woman to death for adultery? Of course but some cultures condone it. Is it wrong or racist to hate a culture that you believe is immoral? I don’t think so. Is it wrong or racist to treat an individual badly because of his race or culture? Of course.

It do not care about killing animals for fur as long as the animals are in plentiful supply and have a fairy decent death. I think skinning any animal ALIVE is somewhat below the belt, and you’re really proving your own ignorance if you were to cast it off as ‘hype’.

apologies for what?

the guy is stating he -is that much closer to hating the chinese- because of some BS propaganda that he read. Which in actuality is just an excuse to go on about how he hates the chinese.

I travelled all across China for 6 months at the age of 18 without knowing the language and without a guide of any sort, on return I learn’t to speak Mandarin, I dedicated the last 3 years to Kung Fu and Tea ceremony and read pretty much every book on Buddhism I could get my hands on…but yea I ‘totally hate the Chinese’…

No, I do not hate Chinese people. Its rather the fact that with experience comes true knowledge and understanding, an understanding that has eventually brought me to the conclusion that China is far from what it appears. I spent such a long time with a stupid romantic notion of China, and it is only with time that I have seen how far it is from this. That video ****es me off not because I hate China, but because I do in fact love China. Its yet another thing that reminds me how inhumane and corrupt the country can be.

I am not going to sit here arguing, I have neither the time or interest in arguing with a 45 year old man, let alone one who argues on every thread he posts on.

The petition is there, sign it if you will.

oh and bawang - cao ni ma back at’cha

BoulderDawg - too true