[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;922699]Please tell me what you wanna know…I would be happy to share?[/QUOTE]
feel free to Share with us anything you feel great about WCK or your training.
Best Regards
[QUOTE=Hendrik;922658]What if the sky fall down?
To many if…
well, the world is a wonderfull place. what one give out one get back.
PS.
Could you please share to us about yourself?[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately reality hurts . . .
The sky “won’t” fall down.
The world is indeed a wonderful place.
But that wouldn’t stop people from trying to rob and kill you.
You can’t fight a knifer with love, lol.
What if your attacker hates life and hates you?
THis guy must have read too many of your KFO posts. I’m starting to sympathise with him.
[QUOTE=Violent Designs;922986]Unfortunately reality hurts . . .
The sky “won’t” fall down.
The world is indeed a wonderful place.
But that wouldn’t stop people from trying to rob and kill you.
You can’t fight a knifer with love, lol.[/QUOTE]
If that type of world is what you like to live in sure.
1,
In ancient China, there is a story of a person always try to prepare if the sky fall down.
2,
In ancient China, there is also a story of a mother who move to live in different place to give her son a good education and be with the proper neighborhood, to grow up become a proper person.
3,
as for fighting, face it, dis regard how or what people said Shao Lin is Anti-Qing and all the heroic stories about anti-qing. or Shao Lin develop the best martial art to kill the qing…etc
Qing Doesnt goes away. and Shao Lin got burn down to ground and those from Shao lin have to fleet.
But, due to the influence of a few Buddhist monk’s loving kindness toward the first 2 emperors of Qing Dynasty, Han or the Chinese get a better life.
what is your reality? your own choice.
want to be as good figther as those anti Qing Shao Lin ? your own choice.
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1, since this is an english forum. Here I do a brief translation of your post so others can follow. if you have better translation, please feel free to make correction.
Translation:
You dont take me as a fool.
I am different then them.
One cannot live in ancient China.
One have to live in reality.
Those old bone have dead.
2, You have the choice to select your reality. free will and free country. I am just relaying what is the practice of the Top martial artists in China, so dont shoot me.
I brought this up so that those who is interested can have a factual view on what is happening. I take everyone equally with respect.
A few days ago some in this WCK forum ask about ancient Chinese writing language. The following is a sample of the Classical Chinese writing.
3, The following are the practice of present day famous Chinese martial artist/ qigong/ TCM master: for example master Ma Li-Dang
http://baike.baidu.com/view/67463.htm
in cultivation of Qi
According to Master Ma Li-Dang,
…
Meng Tzu said " I am keen in growing my boundless Qi. and the method of growing and cultivating are " quiet the mind, never force it to grow"…
The kung fu of cultivating Qi is growing this type of Zhen Qi via training.
Master Ma Li Dang Said:
Love is the foundation of human
straight and honest is the root of how to deal with others in the world.
No Hate within the heart,
Leaning Dao is to know the heart of heaven.
note:
The life philosophy of Meng Tzu: Those with Loving Kindness is un defeatable.
Meng Tzu said, those who is loving kindness in un defeatable, with this type of Loving kindness cultivation and boundless Qi, one will be able to attain fearless.
The movie IpMan the legend also shared this philosophy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7OGK-pIMkw&feature=related
Be it from Master Ma Li-dang to Ip Man the legend, Hsing Yi to WCK, same Chinese philosophy.
For those who watches Ip Man the legend and wonder where is the philosophy is based — Meng Tzu’s Those with Loving Kindness is un defeatable.
we like it or not that is the fact.
ok, I use English for this.
Of course, I love my country and history more than anything. I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Chinese arts are for me, my life. They are the most important things for me.
But a lot of these old “masters” I think . . . . do not know what the **** they are talking about.
Supposedly, very powerful fighters right?
OK, the ones 100, even 60 years ago, we can only go by stories. No video cameras, that is fine.
But today, we can document everything. If your chi is powerful, and you are excellent fighter, show us maybe?
As a Chinese you should know best.
Saving face, sometimes, is more important than telling truth.
In this case, it is fighting ability.
[QUOTE=Violent Designs;923132]ok, I use English for this.
Of course, I love my country and history more than anything. I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Chinese arts are for me, my life. They are the most important things for me.
But a lot of these old “masters” I think . . . . do not know what the **** they are talking about.
Supposedly, very powerful fighters right?
OK, the ones 100, even 60 years ago, we can only go by stories. No video cameras, that is fine.
But today, we can document everything. If your chi is powerful, and you are excellent fighter, show us maybe?
As a Chinese you should know best.
Saving face, sometimes, is more important than telling truth.
In this case, it is fighting ability.[/QUOTE]
If you are chinese, then let me say this for all to read, in english
You should know how to honour the way, honour the ancestors
Zhun Si Zhong Do
You should know how to remember the souce
Ying Sui Shi Yuan
This are the pillars of all chinese arts and TCMA, and honestly you dont need to be chinese to have these values, you just need to be a authentic student of the chinese ways.
There are enough authentic documents, authentic masters of the old ways around. You just have to look with a humble heart.
Saying old masters know ****, shows your respect for your culture and heritage. You knew more than them, all the masters of china?
Seems you would have a greater need to present evidence, videos of your knowledge.
Cultivate Qi.
Plant a tree.
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This tells me everything I need to know.
Of course, I love my country and history more than anything. I wouldn’t have it any other way. Chinese arts are for me, my life. They are the most important things for me. ------
Ok, that is admirable.
But a lot of these old “masters” I think . . . . do not know what the **** they are talking about. ----------
There are different type of people in the world. There are good one there are con man.
" A lot" is relative depend on who have you expose to. You are absolutely correct if most of who you expose to are as you mention.
However, that cant represent ALL.
Supposedly, very powerful fighters right?
OK, the ones 100, even 60 years ago, we can only go by stories. No video cameras, that is fine. But today, we can document everything. -------
In different era people document things differently.
If your chi is powerful, and you are excellent fighter, show us maybe? --------
This topic is on Chi Cultivation in WC/TCMA not about me.
I am not qualified to be a representator of TCMA, But master like Ma Li-Dang or Master Wang Pei Shen are.
Take Master Ma Li-Dang or Master Wang Pei Shen for example if you are in Beijing you will know who they are and thier capability. They just passed away a decade ago and there are lots of documentary of them.
http://www.plumpub.com/info/Bios/bio_wangpeisheng.htm
As a Chinese you should know best.
Saving face, sometimes, is more important than telling truth.
In this case, it is fighting ability. ---------
You certainly have your points.
For me,
1, it is not about Chinese or non chinese. It is about to relay what TCMA and Qi cultivation FACTs so those who is interested could trace what is going on.
2, The Truth of TCMA has many faces, instead of just as what you state above “FIGTHING ABILITY”.
As From Shao lin, it said,
NOw, saying the above, Could you please share with us who you are, what is your style? how long you have studied TCMA, Who is your sifu or sifus? So that way we could understand the angle you look at the issue.
Of course, I love my country and history more than anything. I wouldn’t have it any other way. Chinese arts are for me, my life. They are the most important things for me. ------
Ok, that is admirable.
But a lot of these old “masters” I think . . . . do not know what the **** they are talking about. ----------
There are different type of people in the world. There are good one there are con man.
" A lot" is relative depend on who have you expose to. You are absolutely correct if most of who you expose to are as you mention.
However, that cant represent ALL.
NOw, saying the above, Could you please share with us who you are, what is your style? how long you have studied TCMA, Who is your sifu or sifus? So that way we could understand the angle you look at the issue.
Supposedly, very powerful fighters right?
OK, the ones 100, even 60 years ago, we can only go by stories. No video cameras, that is fine. But today, we can document everything. -------
In different era people document things differently.
If your chi is powerful, and you are excellent fighter, show us maybe? --------
This topic is on Chi Cultivation in WC/TCMA not about me.
I am not qualified to be a representator of TCMA, But master like Ma Li-Dang or Master Wang Pei Shen are.
Take Master Ma Li-Dang or Master Wang Pei Shen for example if you are in Beijing you will know who they are and thier capability. They just passed away a decade ago and there are lots of documentary of them.
http://www.plumpub.com/info/Bios/bio_wangpeisheng.htm
As a Chinese you should know best.
Saving face, sometimes, is more important than telling truth.
In this case, it is fighting ability. ---------
You certainly have your points.
For me,
1, it is not about Chinese or non chinese. It is about to relay what TCMA and Qi cultivation FACTs so those who is interested could trace what is going on.
2, The Truth of TCMA has many faces, instead of just as what you state above “FIGTHING ABILITY”.
As From Shao lin, it said,
3, How can one rate fighting ability?
From my limited experience studying different type of art from Judo to Kyokusin to WC to…
Even in the same class by the same teachers there are better and not that good fighter.
And Sometimes I do good and Sometimes I do poorly.
However, saying that, I heard that , in TCMA one can clearly rate the preparation or conditioning for combat.
IE: in the old ancient term, such as
Does one’s training/conditioning activate all of 8 special medirians? If one’s training dont have the complete activation one knows one couldnt even passed the basic physical manual ability.
One of the significant of Qi cultivation is to activate all the 8 special medirians. In the modern and surface sense, activate all the 8 speical medirians means a better handling /manualing capability of the different part of physical body for different motion.
Qi is use here as an indicator to lead one to have a smooth flow in these medirians and the physical result is one be able to have a better agile/handling on their body.
if the opponent is very strong in physical and one only have train two medirians, forget about the fight. One have already lost.
are you a TCMA practitioner? if not then the question is not for you. If yes, then why do you do those form or set? if you are WCner since this is a WC forum, then what benifit do you get with your SLT/SNT? if there is no benifit for your FIGHTING purpose, why do you do it? if yes, then what is the purpose? what is the result?
Saying that, could you please shared with us, have you activate all of the 8 special medirians and related muscle in your body? if yes, then do you use Qi as a lead or sensor to full fill this? or you use other medium. Do you do it in a Kang way or Rou Way? it is external Kung or Internal Kung?
See, the bottom line is not about being a Chinese or not, Not to defend, and not to offend, BUT to work to reveal what is what in a common sense.
as you said, "
As a Chinese you should know best.
Saving face, sometimes, is more important than telling truth."
Sure, let’s investigate what is the truth instead of saving face.
Let’s report what is what with facts instead of via “I THINK” for " I THINK" doesnt mean a THING.
and
Loving Kindness doesnt mean one ignore the training of the combat capability or one doesnt have high skill. It only means one choose to use one’s skill in a loving kindness way.
Do I know Qi exist and could be evoked? yes. Do I believe Qi is everything and it is similar to those shown in Street Fighter the movie? NOPE!
Do I believe in standing there doing SLT/SNT and fantasy somedays one can be the best fighter like Bruce Lee? Nope.
Do I believe doing SLT/SNT is a powerfull training? Yes. But you need to know the proper way.
so, does SLT/SNT open the 8 special channel?
Yes, according to the ancient teaching and also there is how the Yin and Yang related in a big way. and all the yin and yang means something physical there. nothing fantasy.
But then,
The Chinese ancestors rather one open one’s loving kindness heart first.
Thus, they call the art Wing Chun. Praise the Spring. Heart is analogy as Ground in ancient Chinese. At Spring time Ground is lively and promote grow.
If the Chinese ancestors believe only in KILL KILL and Fight Fight and nothing else.
then, they might as well call it Wing Chao or Praise the Fall. For Fall in China is the time for EXECUTION.
But the Ancestor doesnt call it Wing Chao.
So, what do one practice? Wing Chun or the Wing Chao which one created based on one’s mindset which is no longer Wing Chun in the traditional Chinese ancestors way.
It is a free world, everyone believe in what they believe. and everyting is ok because everyone choose the consequence of their action.
and
finally,
…
is the way to cultivate Qi.
The method in the western sense is LET GO (the Mind) LET GOD (take care of it ).
There is no EAST or WEST. THe method is common because it is about human.
So how does Chi Cultivation benefit your WC???
[QUOTE=Hendrik;923249]so, does SLT/SNT open the 8 special channel?
Yes, according to the ancient teaching and also there is how the Yin and Yang related in a big way. and all the yin and yang means something physical there. nothing fantasy.
But then,
The Chinese ancestors rather one open one’s loving kindness heart first.
Thus, they call the art Wing Chun. Praise the Spring. Heart is analogy as Ground in ancient Chinese. At Spring time Ground is lively and promote grow.
If the Chinese ancestors believe only in KILL KILL and Fight Fight and nothing else.
then, they might as well call it Wing Chao or Praise the Fall. For Fall in China is the time for EXECUTION.
But the Ancestor doesnt call it Wing Chao.
So, what do one practice? Wing Chun or the Wing Chao which one created based on one’s mindset which is no longer Wing Chun in the traditional Chinese ancestors way.
It is a free world, everyone believe in what they believe. and everyting is ok because everyone choose the consequence of their action.
and
finally,
“”“”“”“” …
is the way to cultivate Qi.
The method ”“”“” in the western sense is LET GO (the Mind) LET GOD (take care of it ).
There is no EAST or WEST. THe method is common because it is about human.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;924618]So how does Chi Cultivation benefit your WC???[/QUOTE]
What do you think? after reading so many posts I have post here recently?
Hendrink you do not believe, then, the fundamental method meaning of Chinese martial art, is for killing?
Or maybe, just Wing Chun is not for killing?
[QUOTE=Violent Designs;924633]Hendrink you do not believe, then, the fundamental method meaning of Chinese martial art, is for killing?
Or maybe, just Wing Chun is not for killing?[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what do you mean.
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;924618]So how does Chi Cultivation benefit your WC???[/QUOTE]
Many of your post are long winded and drawn out. I want to hear in three sentences or less what you feel the benefit of Chi Cultivation is for WC?
With out alot of philosopical mumbo jumbo?
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;925257]Many of your post are long winded and drawn out. I want to hear in three sentences or less what you feel the benefit of Chi Cultivation is for WC?
With out alot of philosopical mumbo jumbo?[/QUOTE]
I once said the samething to my late sifu too.
that is when I dont realized it is me who doesnt see the answer.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;925298]I once said the samething to my late sifu too.
that is when I dont realized it is me who doesnt see the answer.[/QUOTE]
So you dont realize it is you who doesnt see the answer?
Well seeing that you have been on both sides of spectrum…bring down to earth for the layman not interested in Buddhist Theology?
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;925329]So you dont realize it is you who doesnt see the answer?
Well seeing that you have been on both sides of spectrum…bring down to earth for the layman not interested in Buddhist Theology?[/QUOTE]
There is nothing in Buddha’s teaching which is not down to earth. That too I dont see a long time ago.